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Patriotic, Peaceful Muslims - (can this be genuine?..or is it a ploy?)
HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE.COM ^ | APRIL 7, 2005 | ROBERT SPENCER

Posted on 04/08/2005 7:01:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE

A new group of American Muslims has declared itself committed to moderation, patriotism, and peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims. It's called the Center for Islamic Pluralism, an organization made up of both American-born and immigrant Muslims, lifelong Muslims and converts. If this organization succeeds in being what it has set out to be, it will fill a vacuum many Americans have felt keenly since 9/11: it will be a real counterweight in the Islamic community to jihadist radicalism and fanaticism.

In its inaugural press release the CIP declared its intention to "promote moderate Islam in the U.S. and globally; educate the American public, media, and government about moderate Islam; oppose the influence of militant Islam in the United States and abroad; [and] promote authentic and constructive interfaith dialogue between Muslims and adherents of other faiths."

"We define 'moderate Islam' in the American context," the initial press release continued, "as an Islam that finds its proper and equal place as one among the many religions represented in America, with rights neither greater nor lesser than any other…. The CIP emphasizes pluralism to signal that it believes not in the tolerance of non-Muslims, but in their true acceptance."

The CIP's executive director, the Muslim convert and journalist Stephen Suleyman Schwartz, explained that "dialogue is the foundation of our activity."

If a group like the CIP cannot gain a wide following among Muslims in America, the implication for the actual sentiments and loyalties of American Muslims are ominous. But if the CIP doesn't follow through on its commitment to dialogue, its success is in doubt and its utility suspect. Accordingly, it is devoutly to be wished that the organization clear up a few important matters at the outset.

For instance, Schwartz declares that the "Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad…command us to moderation; we can do no less than to fulfill these high responsibilities in that spirit." This is in line with an observation by his fellow CIP founder, Ahmed Subhy Mansour, who asserts that "total freedom of opinion is a principle that was assured by Islam since it emerged, and applied by Muhammad." These statements suggest that if Muslims return to true adherence to the Koran and Muhammad's example, violent jihadist Islam will disappear.

However, the same day that the CIP issued its statement, an Al-Qaeda group in Iraq declared that "terrorizing enemies of Allah is our faith and religion, which is taught to us by our Qur'an." And the same day the Saudi Wahhabis, whom the CIP is determined to oppose, touted Muhammad as "the perfect role model in all situations." Of course, there are hundreds of contemporary examples of jihad terrorists pointing to the Qur'an and the example of Muhammad to justify violence.

So how does the CIP intend to distinguish its Muhammad from the Wahhabi version? How will the organization respond to jihad terrorists when they invoke Muhammad and the Koran? This is an all-important question, for on its answer will hang or fall the mission of the CIP itself: if the group cannot convince Muslims to follow it, rejecting jihadist theology, it will have failed. But it cannot do any such convincing without a coherent Islamic theology that not only rivals the jihadist version, but refutes it.

Schwartz has in the past decried those who "demand a revision of the Muslim holy book, Qur'an," and has asserted that "Islam needs no Reformation, merely to return to its long-established tradition: pluralistic, spiritual, and committed to the protection and refinement of its civilizational heritage." That makes all the more urgent a clear delineation of its theological stance as distinct from that of the jihadists who use the same sources so effectively.

Questions like these have led one of the seven current members of the CIP, Tashbih Sayyid, publisher of Muslim World Today, to reconsider his role in the organization. Sayyid explained to me: "If Schwartz believes that there is nothing wrong with Muslim theology, I cannot be part of this group….My whole life is devoted to one end: to make the Muslims understand that their theology needs to be reformed and reinterpreted. Anybody who thinks that there's nothing wrong with their theology is either a blind person or an apologist."

Sayyid continued: "There are many things in Muslim Scripture that need to be reshaped and reframed and reinterpreted, so that they cannot be used by terrorists to justify homicide bombings and honor killings."

If the CIP is to fulfill its great promise, it will face this great necessity honestly, and act accordingly.

Mr. Spencer is director of Jihad Watch and author of Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West (Regnery -- a HUMAN EVENTS sister company) and Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith (Encounter); and editor of The Myth of Islamic Tolerance (Prometheus).


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To: mdittmar
I think that the Muslim woman in the Dutch parliament (can't recall her name) who needs police protection qualifies as a moderate Muslim.

When a few of this group get their heads hacked off, I'll start taking their moderation seriously.

21 posted on 04/08/2005 8:42:34 PM PDT by Charlotte Corday (Freedom’s like ice-cream—can’t go wrong with it.)
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To: CHARLITE

I say ploy. Muslims have universally declared allegiance to Islam above everything else.

And, as a fellow FReeper advised me, a 'moderate" Muslim is just one who has temporarily run out of ammunition.


22 posted on 04/08/2005 8:44:15 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: CHARLITE
I'm not the least bit interested in what they say. I'm interested in what they do.
If they politically side with democrats, who hate Christian values, we know they don't have American sovereignty and peace in their hearts. They'd still be out to destroy Christians and Jews, and they'll behead the democrats who don't convert later.
The democrats have always been used as useful idiots, so they'll let them live long enough to rid the country of their religious opposites first.
Then, the democrats want open borders, a great way to add to their numbers!
23 posted on 04/08/2005 8:47:05 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: DustyMoment

76% of Iranian-Americans Muslims voted for President Bush and i know 12 who are active hard-line Republicans. Care to explain there genius?


24 posted on 04/08/2005 9:03:20 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: CHARLITE

In its inaugural press release the CIP declared its intention to "promote moderate Islam in the U.S. and globally; educate the American public, media, and government about moderate Islam; oppose the influence of militant Islam in the United States and abroad; [and] promote authentic and constructive interfaith dialogue between Muslims and adherents of other faiths."

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My thorough analogy in just two words: "Bee Ess" (otherwise translated as "Bovine Excrement") !!! ;-))


25 posted on 04/08/2005 9:37:09 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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To: CHARLITE

taqiyyah (sp)


26 posted on 04/08/2005 9:40:42 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Skywalk

I think that I can make some assumptions based on treatment of non-muslims in predominately muslim countries(iran, saudi arabia, indonesia and pakistan for instance) attacks on my country by muslims, majority of radical muslim media I view on the internet, top muslim clergy defending jihad against Christians and Jews. Maybe you'll pardon me if I wait to see if actions follow words.


28 posted on 04/08/2005 10:26:02 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Give folks the benefit of the doubt. Knee jerk anti Muslim hysteria is something that has degraded this forum for too long. Pick and choose your shots where justified. Avoid the broad brush tainting all. That is the road to avoidable conflict and violence, leading to unjust war.


29 posted on 04/08/2005 10:29:15 PM PDT by Torie
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To: A_Conservative_Chinese; GeekDejure; WarPaint
"I have to ask a question: How do you repair/re-interpret something that says "kill all non-muslims"?

The only "authority" I trust on what's up with Muslims is Ali Sina, whose website is a treasure of information about all things Muslim. His position is that Islam must be utterly destroyed, eradicated, banished once and for all from history. He has a new article called "Fighting Against a Phantom" which I posted here a few days ago, but someone placed it down into Bloggers & Personal, where it didn't get the attention that it deserves.

Ali's article demonstrates how today's "moderate, peaceful, America-loving Muslim" can be tomorrow's gory beheading killer jihadist/terrorist.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50407.htm

30 posted on 04/08/2005 10:38:32 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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To: Torie

By who?


31 posted on 04/08/2005 10:41:01 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6

Who engages in knee jerk anti Muslim hysteria? Is that your question. It is pandemic around here. I have been tempted myself on occasion, but I pat myself on the back for resisting it. It is wrong. I disagree with most of the deceased Pope's foreign policy views, but on this matter, he was right.


32 posted on 04/08/2005 11:07:57 PM PDT by Torie
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To: CHARLITE

If they were doing this in a muslim country, they and their families would be butchered.


33 posted on 04/08/2005 11:17:23 PM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: Skywalk
No, but I do believe that we have no obligation to trust Muslims. On the contrary, given the acts of violence and terrorism over the last 30 years , it is incument up them earn that trust and to prove their good will and peaceful intentions. No more whining.
34 posted on 04/08/2005 11:17:36 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: ArmyTeach
it is incument up them earn that trust

And it is incumbent on us not to push away the outstretched hand, and instead launch a deposition.

35 posted on 04/08/2005 11:21:18 PM PDT by Torie
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To: nuconvert
Good, but when will the Saudi regime endorse a similar "Center for Islamic Pluralism" in the Sandy Kingdom?

/No, that was a rhetoric question. ;.)
37 posted on 04/09/2005 12:06:32 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: gmik

Ping.


38 posted on 04/09/2005 12:33:38 AM PDT by Concentrate
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To: Skywalk
Um, the Old Testament is as immoral and bloody as the Koran.

Written by someone who has obviously neither read the Old Testament or the Koran.

39 posted on 04/09/2005 2:09:14 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Skywalk
"Um, the Old Testament is as immoral and bloody as the Koran."

I just love it when someone posts barnyard matter like this on FR as if they really know what they're talking about.

It's kinda cute, but totally absurd.

40 posted on 04/09/2005 2:14:31 AM PDT by RightOnline
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