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Pope John Paul II Dies; Times Can't Find Someone Who Liked Him
Powerline ^ | 4/2/05 | John H. Hinderaker

Posted on 04/02/2005 4:39:18 PM PST by BCrago66

Pope John Paul II died this afternoon. The New York Times reports on his papacy in an article that inadvertently tells us more than the Times really wanted us to know. The Times had its criticisms of John Paul's papacy ready to go, but apparently went looking for something good to say about the Pope at the last minute:

Even as his own voice faded away, his views on the sanctity of all human life echoed unambiguously among Catholics and Christian evangelicals in the United States on issues from abortion to the end of life.

need some quote from supporter

John Paul II's admirers were as passionate as his detractors, for whom his long illness served as a symbol for what they said was a decrepit, tradition-bound papacy in need of rejuvenation and a bolder connection with modern life.

"The situation in the Catholic church is serious," Hans Kung, the eminent Swiss theologian, who was barred by from teaching in Catholic schools because of his liberal views, wrote last week. "The pope is gravely ill and deserves every compassion. But the Church has to live. ...

In my opinion, he is not the greatest pope but the most contradictory of the 20th century. A pope of many, great gifts, and of many bad decisions!"

Among liberal Catholics, he was criticized for his strong opposition to abortion, homosexuality and contraception, as well as the ordination of women and married men. Though he was never known as a strong administrator of the dense Vatican bureaucracy, he kept a centralizing hand on the selection of bishops around the world and enforced a rigid adherence to many basic church teachings among the clergy and Catholic theologians.

There you have it. The Times' criticisms are ready to go, a few good words for the Pope are an afterthought.

UPDATE: I got a screen grab of the second page of the Times article, just before they changed it to delete the "need some quote from supporter:"


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To: Petronski

LOL


21 posted on 04/02/2005 4:53:32 PM PST by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: BCrago66

Mort Kondrake on Fox News last night was saying that the Catholics should look for a more "liberal" Pope this time because JP11 was too conservative because of the abortion, gay marriage, abstinence issues...

I thought Fred Barnes was gonna jump him...and even Charles Krauthammer and Chris Wallace were surprised that Kondrake would make that suggestion...
They all said that the Pope's conservativeness is what MADE him the respected Pope that he was!


22 posted on 04/02/2005 4:53:38 PM PST by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: BCrago66
Among liberal Catholics, he was criticized for his strong opposition to abortion, homosexuality and contraception, as well as the ordination of women and married men.

The Catholic Church Sens. Flip-Flop and Chappaquiddick go to...

23 posted on 04/02/2005 4:55:13 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: BCrago66

Does Drudge have this?


24 posted on 04/02/2005 4:55:55 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Was this article, with its revealing inside comment still intact, posted in a public place on the net where regular humans could get and see it?

Billybob
25 posted on 04/02/2005 4:56:10 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: sandyeggo
John H. Hinderaker over @ Powerline blog caught it. I just reposted it with some helpful formatting. FReegards.
26 posted on 04/02/2005 4:56:37 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: South40

That is my favorite picture of the Pope..Joking around with all the Young People who had come to see him that day-letting them know, "I see you."

If you saw the Pic's from St. Peter's Square as the Pope came nearer and nearer to his death. So many of those there praying for him, chanting, "Don't leave us Papa" were young people.

I find it notable that his last message this morning was to the young people- "I came looking for you, and now you come looking for me. I thank you."


27 posted on 04/02/2005 4:56:43 PM PST by sockmonkey (Rest in Peace, John Paul II)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Their pope is John Kerry.


28 posted on 04/02/2005 4:58:00 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Texas_Jarhead
per the Powerline blog entry, "UPDATE: I got a screen grab of the second page of the Times article, just before they changed it to delete the "need some quote from supporter:"

To me that indicates a publicly viewable web page.
29 posted on 04/02/2005 4:58:52 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: BCrago66
John Paul II's admirers were as passionate as his detractors, for whom his long illness served as a symbol for what they said was a decrepit, tradition-bound papacy in need of rejuvenation and a bolder connection with modern life.

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Did you make this up? I can't find it.

30 posted on 04/02/2005 4:59:10 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: BCrago66
Echoing the Mort Kondracke syndrome, mort non catholic hated the this Pope cause he wouldn't ordain the female of the species.
31 posted on 04/02/2005 4:59:15 PM PST by dts32041 (We have instituted our own set of Nuremberg laws.)
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To: Txsleuth
Mort Kondrake on Fox News last night was saying that the Catholics should look for a more "liberal" Pope

I was watching that. In a way, it was kind of hilarious. There he was, a non-Catholic, suggesting that the Catholic church just go the way of the protestant denominations that are moving with the "culture". I'm listening to two ladies discuss what will be "looked for" in the next Pope, and it is pretty hilarious as well.

32 posted on 04/02/2005 5:00:23 PM PST by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I (an Evangelical) had the privilege of praying for him over the 1MC on the Cruiser I serve on two nights ago.


33 posted on 04/02/2005 5:00:57 PM PST by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: An Old Marine
The NY Times staff lives in Deepest Blue Amerika, where there are absolutely no Christians. Not true. I live within 50 miles of the NY Times HQ. I will not surrender my home to the Nilists of the Times. Never give up, never surrender.

Me too. The NY Times staff lives in parts of Manhattan and socialize in circles where they never, ever meet a practicing Christian. The only Catholics thay bump into are the Salvadoran cleaning girls coming in at night to the Times building offices.

34 posted on 04/02/2005 5:01:34 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
my comment #29 was meant for you
35 posted on 04/02/2005 5:02:31 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: BCrago66
The NYT lack of ebthusiasm for Pope John Paul II is understandable. The Pope and Ronald Reagan destroyed communism! The two of them did more in a short span than all other anti-communists in 70 years were unable to do. Naturally, the NYT resents this. The NYT despises Reagan and is just as unhappy about the Pope. Except, there may still be some Catholics who buy the rag.

What's more, the death of the Pope leaves the NYT in an awkward position. Yhe Pope's death leaves George Bush as the world's leading Christian and foremost Christian leader. The new Pope may take this role, but he will need time to get established. Bush has the moral integrity and stature to, in effect, speak for the world's Christians and the NYTs doesn't like that one bit!

And, of course, the NYT is run by neocommunist scumbag dem liberal progressive crapweasels and they don't like ANYTHING Christian!

36 posted on 04/02/2005 5:03:15 PM PST by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; All; MeekOneGOP; Admin Moderator

"MeekOneGOP""Admin Moderator"please""A homophobe old guy who was scared of condoms." Ah, what love. What honor they give him."ENOUGH!!!!


37 posted on 04/02/2005 5:03:48 PM PST by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen.")
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To: bethelgrad

You served your country and you are a devout Christian. You are utterly hated by the democrats, no matter what their deceptive spin is currently.


38 posted on 04/02/2005 5:03:55 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: BCrago66

I would love to see the NYT say anything bad about Islam. They won't because they can only pick on a religion that won't sneak into their homes at night and slice their fool heads off. Scum bagz, all of 'em.


39 posted on 04/02/2005 5:05:00 PM PST by softwarecreator
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Oh that is just the most pitifully funny thing I have seen.


40 posted on 04/02/2005 5:06:26 PM PST by netmilsmom (Ask and ye shall receive.)
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