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Unemployment Rates Soar in Germany and France
The New York Sun | 4/2/05 | moose2004

Posted on 04/02/2005 5:24:31 AM PST by moose2004

Schroeder and Chirac in Political Trouble


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chirac; economy; politics; schroeder; unemployment
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To: Thermalseeker
The Z4 and X5 are built in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Some 4-door 325i models, particularly ones shipped to the US west coast, are built in South Africa. Germany for most of the rest except the X3 SUV which is built in Graz, Austria. Mercedes ML SUVs are built in Vance, Alabama. Most of the rest are built in Germany, inclucing the small Daimler-Chrysler truck sold as the Dodge Sprinter in the US and the Mercedes Sprinter in the rest of the world. Largely by robots and Turkish "guest workers" it seems. I agree that if they sold the cars here for their European prices nobody much would buy them. So they don't sell the cars for the correct price in Euros which is also one reason why DC's profits are so skimpy. (They make up some of it by building Chryslers in Mexico.)

I really will miss my German cars!


41 posted on 04/02/2005 6:57:54 AM PST by Sooth2222
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Being that a substantial portion of the "German Unemployed" consists of folks permanently on the Dole, welfare reform should be pushed even further than what Schroeder wants. Keep in mind that many of the unemployed are university graduates who aren't exactly going to pick up a broom and sweep the streets. Those jobs are already filled and difficult to get.


42 posted on 04/02/2005 6:58:48 AM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Red6

Their new line is that all US wealth and inventions are an illusion. And about to come crashign down any moment, while they are steady.

Like you said they WANT, to believe that socialism works... Its very easy to manipulate people with what they want to believe.


43 posted on 04/02/2005 7:02:19 AM PST by ran15
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To: KevinDavis
"Yet people the media and the gullible here bitch about a 5.2% unemployment rate.."
44 posted on 04/02/2005 7:02:56 AM PST by Thom Pain
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To: moose2004
The desperate one.
Germany's Schroeder just announced and insisted to brake an existing arms embargo with China.
He pushes for exports at any price to save his with unemployment weighted neck.
However, Schroeder goes on international business deal making trips, and quite successfully to say the least.
Among his favorite partners and huge customers are the Chinese.
Knowing Schroeders personality it should not come as a surprise that the Chinese during deal negotiations asked for and received from Schroeder an agreement to brake this arms embargo and start supporting his Chinese customers with modern weapons.
45 posted on 04/02/2005 7:19:13 AM PST by hermgem
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To: moose2004
Success like this comes from great leadership and great ideas.
46 posted on 04/02/2005 7:20:08 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Hezbollah will disarm before we see Kerry sign his SF 180,)
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To: Clemenza
Do not forget what these Arab and Turkish populations do to the German welfare state.
To overcome the lack of population growth their system is heavily favored towards children with very very significant benefits in services and cash.
This Arab and Turkish population actually chokes the German welfare system as they come with and have somewhere upwards of 6 children per family.
47 posted on 04/02/2005 7:27:03 AM PST by hermgem
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To: moose2004
These jobless figures, coupled with rising fuel and labor costs, are starting to take a political toll on Germany's Gerhard Schroeder and France's Jacque Chirac

Sometimes in life, you get what you deserve.

48 posted on 04/02/2005 7:33:44 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Red6
IMO, Europeans (those that still have jobs) will be in the USA as tourists this summer, due to the low dollar.

They will be buying USA products that are very attractively priced now.

Smile, and take their money.

49 posted on 04/02/2005 7:48:14 AM PST by concrete is my business (lay a solid foundation)
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To: moose2004

You should learn to post the link... ;)


50 posted on 04/02/2005 7:54:54 AM PST by oolatec
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To: elhombrelibre

"Superior" minds and "superior" results (sarcasm alert).


51 posted on 04/02/2005 7:56:10 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Sooth2222
In fact, given the low value of the US dollar, both BMW and DaimlerChrysler are talking about increasing production of their cars in the USA!

I've been hearing rumors that BMW may expand their Spartanburg, SC plant so most of the production of their 3-Series cars (and possibly 1-Series cars when that arrives next year) will be done at that plant. DaimlerChrysler produces the Mercedes-Benz ML-Series SUV and the R-Series "tall wagon" at the Vance, AL plant; there is talk that the new B-Series small wagon could be produced there, also. In short, the German auto companies want to be like the Japanese auto companies in the USA, which means lots of production capacity here in the USA.

By the way, a lot of those Turkish guest workers have actually become German citizens, and in fact many German factories have large numbers of these workers.

52 posted on 04/02/2005 8:00:37 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: paul51

Another link to Bloomberg's version of the story

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=ahrjLKe5gQKo&refer=home


53 posted on 04/02/2005 8:09:27 AM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
As an aside, I was in Germany recently and the Muslims are not liked.

They've never been liked by the general people. The government has been forcing them down their throat for many years.

54 posted on 04/02/2005 8:19:33 AM PST by conservative cat
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To: ran15

They envy us. They obsess about us. They have guilt. They can't ideologically accept that a DECENTRALIZED PRIVATE CAPITALISTIC system can work.

Look at when Germans arrive in the US or transfer to a US school. They are lost. Not just because it's a foreign place to them, but because they have a hard time operating outside a regimented structured environment. "I need to pick out all my classes and make sure that I get the right ones so I graduate in 4-5 years?" I'm responsible for my health care? My retirement?...............

Why do they always mention the 35 million uninsured in the US? Because in traditional German fashion they justify themselves through guess what? Schadenfreude. “See Ursula, our socialist medical care is soooooo much better.” The Germans and French live in a structured world where you are on some sort of rail track from birth to grave. A German feels insecure and sees the US as mere chaos. Signs everywhere (No centralized law that strictly controls how signs must be placed on road sides), roads that change from one state to the next (Not controlled all from Berlin and standardized)……… “How can this MESS possibly work?” Private healthcare? Private retirements with different policies and standards. Private utilities? Private schools? States that even have different laws from one to the other. They even have their own military (National Guard). Curricula and teachers certification is different from one state to the next! The French dictate in their colonies what will be taught down to the DAY in class. Mine awareness may be a huge threat to the kids somewhere in Africa, but hell, we’ll teach them where Nice is in France!

I sound crazy, but it’s true. They may not articulate it like this, but in the end it’s that they can’t deal with an unstructured, decentralized non regimented world. They see the merits in centralization, state ownership, and involvement in near all aspects of day to day life.

Real world example! Years ago an airline went bust and Germans were stranded somewhere (I forget exactly what country). Their response was to demand the German government to pay or provide for their airfare home. These people squatted at the airport and waited until “Vater Staat” came to get them. We must appear very strange to them! But if I sound crazy and unbelievable, look at what they are now doing in Brussels. They have a norm for the curvature of a “standard” banana and the size of a cucumber. The German thinks he has a private economy because just 52% of the Frankfurt airport is state owned! Because some of the German rail (Bahn), Telecom…… is in private hands. Look at Airbus, Lufthansa, EADS, German schools (All state owned), Universities (Near all state owned and financed)………. They live in a SEMI-Market economy. Hence they have a SEMI-functional economy. Look at who is bust and subsidized with billions and who is still hanging on gasping for life and providing the little bit of breath left in the German economy? The private sector! BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, Bayer, MAN, Siemens, AEG, Zeis……. Not their rail which has been broke for over a decade and sucking money from those who are profitable. But do you think the Germans will let them die? No. Just as with the German ship building (Vulkan Werke) they pump money into them to crutch them up and keep them going even though they are not economically viable.

They can’t accept that the way we do things works! They have this belief (It’s a dogma) in socialism. It’s a good word there! Again language gives you away. Would you call anything “socialist” in the US? We use it as an insult. "Kerry is a "socialist"." As a politician, would you want to be characterized as being a “socialist”? Hell NO! But in Germany “social” is a good word. The Social party of Germany (SPD), the Christian Socialist Union (CSU-and they are the ultra right yet main stream in Germany)….. The word “socialist” there is no insult, in fact it’s a good word and they can’t understand the negative connotation Americans have placed on it.

There are some cultural differences. Our ideas of how an economy runs and should be managed is very different from theirs.

Reality has them standing in front of an abyss today. Let them talk. They won't listen. They're too intellectual, arrogant, spiteful of us and know better despite ALL indicators, historic evidence, contemporary "credible" economic theory. I truly believe they will ride this into the ground! The Germans are stoic and stubborn. A bad combination when you’re wrong about something.

Red6


55 posted on 04/02/2005 8:22:29 AM PST by Red6
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To: 2banana

Don't forget about raising the minimum wage. That's certain to bring down the unemployment rate (/sarcasm).


56 posted on 04/02/2005 8:26:19 AM PST by freedomcrusader (Proudly wearing the politically incorrect label "crusader" since 1/29/2001)
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To: moose2004
They're lucky to be so damn superior.
57 posted on 04/02/2005 8:26:39 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Hezbollah will disarm before we see Kerry sign his SF 180,)
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To: elhombrelibre

Ditto!


58 posted on 04/02/2005 8:30:52 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Sooth2222

My 2004 325i was built at Rosslyn SA, which is or was the highest rated of all BMW plants for quality. I don't know if it will always be possible to build nice things in SA, but the knowhow that built and staffed Rosslyn can do the same thing in the US.


59 posted on 04/02/2005 8:31:58 AM PST by SBprone
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