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Eagles up. Contact judiciary commitee and demand justice be done for Terri and for us.
self | 3/31/05

Posted on 03/31/2005 4:12:56 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross

Do you want to make a change and see some justice? Congressman Tom DeLay said the House Judiciary Committee will be investigating Terri's case and making recommendations to the full house about any reforms that they believe are necessary in this debacle over Terri's life and death.

This thread is to brainstorm, and to report what contacts we have made and the results. Below is a link to the committee members.

Anyone who wants to help organize a ping list- SPEAK UP. We need someone to make a list of objectives and contacts.

This thread is for activism. If you are not interested in that - please move to a different thread. I am done with the flame wars.

This is for those who want action and want a change.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: constitution; judicialtyranny; marchforjustice2; schiavo; schiavoamendment; seperationofpowers; stopthisinsanity; terri; terrischiavo; terrislaw
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To: Jeff Head
JEff can you help us out over here? We need to get some good freeps together to make up some talking points, a list of objectives for when we contact our reps and the Judicial committee
81 posted on 03/31/2005 6:11:37 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; floriduh voter; pc93; Future Useless Eater
Who is very, very familiar with this case who can help make a list of objectives for us- we need to point our reps to the cold hard facts- not speculation or emotion. Who do you know that knows the ins and outs the very best?

IMHO, floriduh voter absolutely, as well as pc93 and future useless eater. And if they don't know something, they know who will! : )

82 posted on 03/31/2005 6:16:40 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: TheGrimReaper
So, when will the arrest be made?

Good damn question.

83 posted on 03/31/2005 6:19:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: quidnunc

Ping

Please ping Diva Betsy Ross or me if you wish to be on this NOC (Nuclear Option Committee) list for Judicial Activism to carry the fight forward.


84 posted on 03/31/2005 6:24:44 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

I'm so sorry to hear about your father in law. It is the most difficult decision one has to make.

Although when it is time, such as in your case, the decision is correct.

In the case of Terri, an execution was performed by her so called husband to finalize a vendetta with her family and who knows what other motives he had. She definitely wasn't terminal, we know that for sure. Father Pavone just said on H&C that her death was not peaceful as stated by felos, her face grimaced, she was panting and her eyes were moving rapidly back & forth. No one really knows what pain she was feeling.

Thanks for your help, the judges in this country who perform using their own agenda or that of others influencing them in these instances have to be impeached.


85 posted on 03/31/2005 6:26:49 PM PST by WestCoastGal (Bristol~2 get a tkt to a race there is like trying to slip an out of spec car thru NASCAR inspection)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

I had a similar situation with my grandfather. I understand.


86 posted on 03/31/2005 6:29:02 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Schiavo: Awakening A Sleeping Giant

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1375045/posts

Excerpt:

"While I was torn on the issue, I still had difficulty recommending that the governor defy the courts -- even though I strongly disagreed with their decision -- considering the precedent it would set for future sinister executives to act any way they wanted and above any legal checks. But it doesn't matter so much what I think. The fact is, the people are mad, and they're not going to take it anymore. In the end, this case screams loudly for action by state legislatures and Congress against both the Death Culture and judicial activism. Indeed, many of my objections to the Schiavo case have even more to do with what I perceive to be gross injustices exacted by the courts -- based on their stunning disrespect for life -- than judicial activism.

In response to this Culture of Death, we might witness grassroots efforts across the country to influence state legislatures to craft constitutional legislation specifically to outlaw the kind of barbarism that occurred in this case. Legislatures can write laws to disqualify guardians as a matter of law when they have the demonstrable conflict of interest Michael Schiavo had, to require the appointment of a guardian ad litem to protect the patient, and to prevent death by starvation of non-terminal patients without (or arguably with) explicit written directions on the matter.

As for judicial activism, pending the confirmation of many more constitutionalist judges, Congress might use its Article III authority to limit the jurisdiction of courts in certain areas.

The Schiavo case death merchants may rue the day they allowed their "dispassionate" absence of zeal for human life to go too far. They might just have awakened the sleeping giant of the Culture of Life."

http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/2004.htm

87 posted on 03/31/2005 6:32:14 PM PST by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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To: combat_boots; All
Let's also start a list of journalists and radio/TV people who would be friendly to our cause. If we need to contact the Media we can make a master list. Here is an article by David Limbaugh

HERE

There is always Sean Hannity and Rush.

Please list all local and national media, with contact info, that you have heard who understand our fight with the activist judges.

88 posted on 03/31/2005 6:36:11 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: JohnHuang2; jmstein7; doug from upland

Please ping Diva Betsy Ross or me if you wish to be on this NOC (Nuclear Option Committee) list for Judicial Activism to carry the fight forward


89 posted on 03/31/2005 6:47:01 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: combat_boots

Media Find: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111


90 posted on 03/31/2005 6:48:29 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

So good. When are they going to bring charges against Greer?


91 posted on 03/31/2005 6:52:44 PM PST by sandbar
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To: nicmarlo
I wonder what her views of the founding fathers would have been at the time...they were religious fanatics by her standards too.

Good thing they didn't care a whit what people of her ilk thought and maintained their faith and resolve against all odds and ended up creating a nation where she is free to lecture us, huh?

In matter s like these, public opinion, prevailing professional opinion, the potential for conflict, etc. are all meaningless in the face of the travesty. What has meaning is what is right and the defense of unalienable rights. You do that at all costs. That is what we needed here IMHO.

I pray that more of that attitude develops out of this.

92 posted on 03/31/2005 7:00:21 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Diogenesis
Tonk,

Read post 45. I'm just exhausted to believe that a disabled person was MURDERED while the government claims that there was nothing they could do.

Ask Judge Moore if they could have done something...or if a president who can can run a great war on terrorism can't stop one terrorist act on an individual?

Jebby (Bush) treated the Bucket Brigade badly in Florida... and is yet again a Pontius Pilate, who did nothing at the 11th hour.


At this hour, I'm so mad, and sickened, at those I voted for to do the right thing, and received only lip service, and no action, that I'm truly beside myself. I am having a hard time believing that this happened in my country.
93 posted on 03/31/2005 7:00:40 PM PST by Issaquahking (As Terri Schiavo dies, so does our nation, killed by libs.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; 4Godsoloved..Hegave; 8mmMauser; a5478; atruelady; Brad's Gramma; Cayenne; ...

Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


94 posted on 03/31/2005 7:04:35 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: tcg
*bump*

Civil law is not equipped to (or meant) deal with life-death decisions. Great analysis.

95 posted on 03/31/2005 7:05:15 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Ronaldus Magnus; zoomie2; pistolpackinannie; romanesq; Aquinasfan; Coop; sandbar; ALOHA RONNIE; ...

Ping


96 posted on 03/31/2005 7:07:16 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: sandbar

After you and I get a whole bunch of people to call and demand it! Are you in?


97 posted on 03/31/2005 7:09:20 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

I would like to be pinged!


98 posted on 03/31/2005 7:14:31 PM PST by Halls
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Evening Diva. Add me please!

My heart is so sad for what has happened to this precious woman!

Judicial Activism HAS to come to a halt starting this very day!!!!!!!

This is a good start!!!

Thank you!

99 posted on 03/31/2005 7:14:51 PM PST by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; All

A few random thoughts:

- This situation can be morphed into a counter to the AARP since they were either pro-kill off their members or silent.
-It might be a bit much (just brainstorming folks) but this silence of the democrats can be used as their suggestion as to how to save social security. Kill off the helpless.


-terri should be refered to as one of the helpless. People automatically want to help the helpless.

-I even think that this can be used to do a collateral attack on no fault divorce. It is a bit of a strech, and only a sliver of a victory but it can be workable. One BIG issue here was the infidelity of MSchiavo. Creating a cause of action or automatic PRESUMPTION of a desire for divorce in guardianship cases. If a FULLY CAPACITIED woman could be REASONABLE presumed to not be married to a cheating husband, then that should be used either on the courts own motion or an immediate family's action to petition for divorce. (it would have to be an ongoing relationship, it could not be a fling. I say this in order to get the change through. Our reach must not be greedy. One victory can be expanded later.)

- We need a term of art which says "DO ALL TO KEEP ME ALIVE". Something more than extraordinary measures.

- Tort reform must EXCLUDE any such "civil murders". If an HMO kills for cost cutting then they recieve no protection via tort reform.

- We do want to give standing to parents but we MUST BE CAREFUL TO KEEP MARRIAGE INTACT. We also want to make sure no other faux marriage is given the same import. Thus a civil unions from another state can not be used in another state to kill off someone who has family who will care for them.

- Immediate mediation in the event of a contested situation. Family mediators are good, I have seen them talk reality in cases which looked like certain trials.

- An opposing party CAN challenge an opposing attorney as biased due to an affiliation. Felos' hemlock society membership SHOULD be admissible in order to challenge his ability to allow the parties to reach settlement. (The mediator could give a bias report outlining ALL the parties biases.)

- IN 100% of contested cases, an attorney ad lite SHALL be appointed and SHALL NOT be cherry picked by the judge and pro-death counsel.

-If either party objects to the case being shunted off to a magistrate (a judge lite used in order to deal with docket overloads) then the judge shall hear the case.

-Either party SHALL have the right to demand the trier of fact be a jury when the objective is termination of life. This means we have to develop MODEL JURY INSTRUCTIONS.


-speaking of model laws. CONSERVATIVES MUST GENERATE MODEL GUARDIANSHIP LAWS TO COUNTER ANY THAT WILL BE PRODUCED BY THE ABA. Conservative MUST get out in front of this curve. We do not want to leave law writing to the leftists.

- When a case has be adjudicated for terminating life, appeals will be mandatory (as in capital cases). Review SHALL be denovo, temporary injunctions SHALL be issued until final order of the appellate courts. (and federal courts)

- We must keep this case and guardianship cases AWAY from the issue of abortion. It will only confuse the goal.

- The goal should be fostering the "culture of life". From this prism all other decisions and policies will flow.

- we want to link any statutory creation of "culture of life" as part of codifying common law and not a new statutory creation. This is a tool of statutory construction. Common law codification gets BROAD interpritations under the law. Statutory new creations are only narrow construction. Narrow contruction opens the door for law games played by Whitmore and Greer.

- we need a "contract for terri's legacy". (or something like that) I think this is better than anything with life or death in the title. Using the name "terri" establishes it concerns the legal travest that before that young woman.


These are just a few brain storm thoughts.


100 posted on 03/31/2005 7:15:23 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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