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Live Thread: President's Remarks on Terri's Death
various | 3/31/2005 | Pyro7480

Posted on 03/31/2005 8:05:44 AM PST by Pyro7480

President Bush will make remarks on the death of Terri Schindler (Schiavo) at 11:40 am EST.


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To: Rutles4Ever

"So all that bluster about doing as we please in Iraq, with or without a U.N. mandate, was a mistake? I seem to recall the President showing genuine leadership, giving his finger to France, Germany, and Kofi Annan, and coming out on top in the end, and with much more respect than if he said, "Nah, the world disagrees. Let's bring those aircraft carriers home. It won't look good." "

I'm inclined to think that the governor could have done something, but didn't he already intervene years before?

How is this case different then the thousands just like it?

I think she was and is to be a sacrificial lamb for us. She is bringing attention to some things in this country that involve the courts and the contract of marriage.

I just heard that this despicable human being of a man husband, refused to let the family in the room when she died.

Vent your anger, we all will, but I don't think we should blame this president or fellow Freepers on this.

Read MEN IN BLACK


501 posted on 03/31/2005 10:32:56 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: proud American in Canada

Your points are logical, I agree. But when there's a leak in the boat, someone'd better grab a bucket. We can't stand around saying, "Well, that's how the boat was built, we have to let it sink."


That aside, you too. Have a good day. It's been a long two weeks.


502 posted on 03/31/2005 10:33:00 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: advance_copy
What? You wanted a Clinton moment of lip-biting? Or perhaps the nuances of a John Kerry.

The statement by Pres Bush this morning was set to be about the WMDs but the press led everyone to believe it was going to be about TS - period.

503 posted on 03/31/2005 10:34:14 AM PST by daybreakcoming ("Courage is being scared to death -- and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne)
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To: TAdams8591

"I will read MEN IN BLACK. I love Mark Levin. My comments have NOTHING to do with anger. I have been urging the Bush's to go in and get her all along. I knew the courts were going to FAIL Terri. My opinion that they had both the OBLIGATION and the AUTHORITY will NOT change. If you have the ABILITY and AUTHORITY to save someone who is being STARVED to DEATH UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, you USE it.
Please read Bill Bennett's article regarding this issue in the National Review ON-line. It is well done!"


Did they really, I mean really have the authority to do anything that would be nothing more than a token symbol? I mean the congress and the president sent a clear message to the courts that they wanted the case heard.

And thank you for the link to Bill Bennett, I will read it now.


504 posted on 03/31/2005 10:35:46 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: jpsb
Even leaving the troops on Bataan to die was not as bad as sitting around and watching a cool blooded horrific murder.

Want to take that one back?

I am not going to turn this into a WW2 thread, Baatan was sad and disgraceful, but FDR decided Germany had to be deal with first.

You made a comparison, and I wanted to know if you were willing to defend that comparison. I still want to know.

505 posted on 03/31/2005 10:35:57 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: All

Since I missed the president's speech, I clicked on this thread to get a recap. Unfortunately, all I found was a bunch of sniping.

Anyone who missed the speech can watch a video at www.whitehouse.gov.


506 posted on 03/31/2005 10:36:05 AM PST by alnick (Rice 2005: We've only just begun to see what Freedom can achieve.)
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To: Dante3
The fact is that everyone in power, including the Bush brothers, who had the authority to save Terri from a rogue judge and a demented estranged husband, refused to help her.

You know, you can repeat BS ad infinitum, but it doesn't make it true. Gov Bush did act. He issued the executive order ordering the feeding tube reinstated. There was no "refusal to help." As for President Bush, his powers to act are more limited. What exactly could he have done other than sign the law as he did?

507 posted on 03/31/2005 10:36:37 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Gelato

"Lest we forget, the judge ordered Terri to die. He did not simply say Michael Schiavo could pull a feeding tube. He said Michael Schiavo SHALL deny her food and water. "Shall," under the law, is a mandatory requirement.
That is a death sentence.Can it be that, simply because she was innocent, she is not worthy of the executive power to have her rights restored."

I agree that the governor may have been able to do more, but didn't he already intervene on her behalf before only to be overturned?

ONe thing for sure if this is an execution it's the longest one in our history.


508 posted on 03/31/2005 10:37:46 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Rutles4Ever
Oh okay - I'll get on the phone to the White House and tell them I've changed the laws.

Are you seriously that ignorant that you are unaware of how laws are changed in this country? The laws in question are Florida state laws.

509 posted on 03/31/2005 10:38:36 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: edskid

Sure, but not right now and not in this thread.


510 posted on 03/31/2005 10:38:41 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Diogenesis
Hey Dio....

The most amazing, and frightening thing happened to me this morning. It was one of those little things, that just sort of "stops time" for a moment.

My wife and a friend and I were in the kitchen, and they asked me about Terri Schaivo, and what the status was. I looked up at the clock and told them that she had died earlier this morning. Niether of them knew at this point.

You could have cut the air with a knife...and for a moment time stood still.

You see, at that very moment, my wife and this woman were "tubing" a preemie (pre-mature) born Oberhasli goat kid that was born early this morning. They were in the very act of inserting a tube into this small, weak animal's stomach, through which they would feed it, when I gave them the news. It's too weak to eat on its own.

Ironic?! It's an understatement. Words simply escape me.
511 posted on 03/31/2005 10:39:18 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: advance_copy

That nonsense about storming the hospice and violating the court orders was ridiculous.



No, what is ridiculous is that the hospice was not "stormed". This situation had been a long time coming. Contingency plans had been put in place for years by the Bush family, and those plans were to squeeze as much face time and publicity out of that poor woman as possible without taking any risk.

When some people wanted to get Judge Moore, the CHIEF of a state supreme court, it was done expeditiously, but your telling me the PRESIDENT A N D his brother the GOVERNOR, AND the CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, don't outweigh, don't out represent one stinking judge. That my friend is ridiculous.

- and we are talking about a government "Of the People"

- can't save, not kill or kidnap.... but save - ONE LIFE!

That is ridiculous.


512 posted on 03/31/2005 10:39:27 AM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: PhiKapMom
I hope that if GW shows any remorse over this that you won't be out there leading the brigade to call him "overly emotional".

I still haven't read his remarks- but I bet you $500.00 that both Jeb and the President both cried out when they heard the news that Terri has died.

513 posted on 03/31/2005 10:39:33 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: You Dirty Rats

Scott Peterson should have argued that his wife had merely expressed at some point that she'd "rather be dead". You would say "Well, well, some folks would not call her death a murder."


514 posted on 03/31/2005 10:40:28 AM PST by bvw
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To: nikos1121
I don't blame the people here that I disagree with.

Even Jesus said to Pilate, "The one who brought me here is guilty of the greater sin". That would be Michael Schiavo and his crew of vampires.

How is this case different than thousands like it? Perhaps not much in essence, but once the media becomes injected into it, the sheer SCOPE of communication and the bias of the networks can do an awful amount of damage with regard to public opinion on matters like these. There are way too many sheeple who form opinions based on what's on TV instead of what's in their hearts. By getting backed down in such a public manner, it sends a clear and strong message that the Death Cultists should try to take the next hill (killing the physically disabled) since the executive branch will do nothing to protect human life in the face of immoral law.

Anything - I mean ANYTHING - is possible with the judiciary, as decrepit as it is today. If the government won't act now, why would they act when some judge comes along and declares people with ALS or CP or Alzheimer's unworthy of living another day?

515 posted on 03/31/2005 10:40:59 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: You Dirty Rats
You are saying that the rule of law empowers the President to act above, outside, and beyond that same rule of law. You're not a big fan of logic or consistency, are you?

Sec. 159. WHERE the legislative and executive power are in distinct hands, (as they are in all moderated monarchies, and well-framed governments) there the good of the society requires, that several things should be left to the discretion of him that has the executive power: for the legislators not being able to foresee, and provide by laws, for all that may be useful to the community, the executor of the laws having the power in his hands, has by the common law of nature a right to make use of it for the good of the society, in many cases, where the municipal law has given no direction, till the legislative can conveniently be assembled to provide for it. Many things there are, which the law can by no means provide for; and those must necessarily be left to the discretion of him that has the executive power in his hands, to be ordered by him as the public good and advantage shall require: nay, it is fit that the laws themselves should in some cases give way to the executive power, or rather to this fundamental law of nature and government, viz. That as much as may be, all the members of the society are to be preserved: for since many accidents may happen, wherein a strict and rigid observation of the laws may do harm; (as not to pull down an innocent man's house to stop the fire, when the next to it is burning) and a man may come sometimes within the reach of the law, which makes no distinction of persons, by an action that may deserve reward and pardon; 'tis fit the ruler should have a power, in many cases, to mitigate the severity of the law, and pardon some offenders: for the end of government being the preservation of all, as much as may be, even the guilty are to be spared, where it can prove no prejudice to the innocent.

John Locke, Second Treatise

http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtr14.htm

U.S. Constitution, Article II Section I. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

516 posted on 03/31/2005 10:41:48 AM PST by DC Bound
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To: sinkspur
You should be ashamed of yourself - I know I am.
517 posted on 03/31/2005 10:41:49 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: COEXERJ145

Yes, the wonderful law, that put an innocent woman to death with no due process. Abraham Lincoln was not afraid of the courts.


518 posted on 03/31/2005 10:41:49 AM PST by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: quantfive

That is your decision. I agree that Greer is the culprit here but I cannot bring myself to blame the Bush brothers on this. And I'm not talking about candle-light vigils, I'm talking about every citizens responsibility to intervene and stop a felony crime in progress. The murder of Terri Shiavo.

Mike


519 posted on 03/31/2005 10:41:59 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: nikos1121
Ann was good.

"The Emperor's new robes"

Our infallible, divine ruler is a county judge in Florida named George Greer, who has more authority in America than the U.S. Congress, the president and the governor. No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church!

It's a good system if you like monarchy and legally sanctioned murder. But spare me the paeans to "strict constructionism" and "limited government."


520 posted on 03/31/2005 10:42:00 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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