Posted on 03/31/2005 8:05:44 AM PST by Pyro7480
President Bush will make remarks on the death of Terri Schindler (Schiavo) at 11:40 am EST.
"So all that bluster about doing as we please in Iraq, with or without a U.N. mandate, was a mistake? I seem to recall the President showing genuine leadership, giving his finger to France, Germany, and Kofi Annan, and coming out on top in the end, and with much more respect than if he said, "Nah, the world disagrees. Let's bring those aircraft carriers home. It won't look good." "
I'm inclined to think that the governor could have done something, but didn't he already intervene years before?
How is this case different then the thousands just like it?
I think she was and is to be a sacrificial lamb for us. She is bringing attention to some things in this country that involve the courts and the contract of marriage.
I just heard that this despicable human being of a man husband, refused to let the family in the room when she died.
Vent your anger, we all will, but I don't think we should blame this president or fellow Freepers on this.
Read MEN IN BLACK
Your points are logical, I agree. But when there's a leak in the boat, someone'd better grab a bucket. We can't stand around saying, "Well, that's how the boat was built, we have to let it sink."
That aside, you too. Have a good day. It's been a long two weeks.
The statement by Pres Bush this morning was set to be about the WMDs but the press led everyone to believe it was going to be about TS - period.
"I will read MEN IN BLACK. I love Mark Levin. My comments have NOTHING to do with anger. I have been urging the Bush's to go in and get her all along. I knew the courts were going to FAIL Terri. My opinion that they had both the OBLIGATION and the AUTHORITY will NOT change. If you have the ABILITY and AUTHORITY to save someone who is being STARVED to DEATH UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, you USE it.
Please read Bill Bennett's article regarding this issue in the National Review ON-line. It is well done!"
Did they really, I mean really have the authority to do anything that would be nothing more than a token symbol? I mean the congress and the president sent a clear message to the courts that they wanted the case heard.
And thank you for the link to Bill Bennett, I will read it now.
Want to take that one back?
I am not going to turn this into a WW2 thread, Baatan was sad and disgraceful, but FDR decided Germany had to be deal with first.
You made a comparison, and I wanted to know if you were willing to defend that comparison. I still want to know.
Since I missed the president's speech, I clicked on this thread to get a recap. Unfortunately, all I found was a bunch of sniping.
Anyone who missed the speech can watch a video at www.whitehouse.gov.
You know, you can repeat BS ad infinitum, but it doesn't make it true. Gov Bush did act. He issued the executive order ordering the feeding tube reinstated. There was no "refusal to help." As for President Bush, his powers to act are more limited. What exactly could he have done other than sign the law as he did?
"Lest we forget, the judge ordered Terri to die. He did not simply say Michael Schiavo could pull a feeding tube. He said Michael Schiavo SHALL deny her food and water. "Shall," under the law, is a mandatory requirement.
That is a death sentence.Can it be that, simply because she was innocent, she is not worthy of the executive power to have her rights restored."
I agree that the governor may have been able to do more, but didn't he already intervene on her behalf before only to be overturned?
ONe thing for sure if this is an execution it's the longest one in our history.
Are you seriously that ignorant that you are unaware of how laws are changed in this country? The laws in question are Florida state laws.
Sure, but not right now and not in this thread.
That nonsense about storming the hospice and violating the court orders was ridiculous.
I still haven't read his remarks- but I bet you $500.00 that both Jeb and the President both cried out when they heard the news that Terri has died.
Scott Peterson should have argued that his wife had merely expressed at some point that she'd "rather be dead". You would say "Well, well, some folks would not call her death a murder."
Even Jesus said to Pilate, "The one who brought me here is guilty of the greater sin". That would be Michael Schiavo and his crew of vampires.
How is this case different than thousands like it? Perhaps not much in essence, but once the media becomes injected into it, the sheer SCOPE of communication and the bias of the networks can do an awful amount of damage with regard to public opinion on matters like these. There are way too many sheeple who form opinions based on what's on TV instead of what's in their hearts. By getting backed down in such a public manner, it sends a clear and strong message that the Death Cultists should try to take the next hill (killing the physically disabled) since the executive branch will do nothing to protect human life in the face of immoral law.
Anything - I mean ANYTHING - is possible with the judiciary, as decrepit as it is today. If the government won't act now, why would they act when some judge comes along and declares people with ALS or CP or Alzheimer's unworthy of living another day?
Sec. 159. WHERE the legislative and executive power are in distinct hands, (as they are in all moderated monarchies, and well-framed governments) there the good of the society requires, that several things should be left to the discretion of him that has the executive power: for the legislators not being able to foresee, and provide by laws, for all that may be useful to the community, the executor of the laws having the power in his hands, has by the common law of nature a right to make use of it for the good of the society, in many cases, where the municipal law has given no direction, till the legislative can conveniently be assembled to provide for it. Many things there are, which the law can by no means provide for; and those must necessarily be left to the discretion of him that has the executive power in his hands, to be ordered by him as the public good and advantage shall require: nay, it is fit that the laws themselves should in some cases give way to the executive power, or rather to this fundamental law of nature and government, viz. That as much as may be, all the members of the society are to be preserved: for since many accidents may happen, wherein a strict and rigid observation of the laws may do harm; (as not to pull down an innocent man's house to stop the fire, when the next to it is burning) and a man may come sometimes within the reach of the law, which makes no distinction of persons, by an action that may deserve reward and pardon; 'tis fit the ruler should have a power, in many cases, to mitigate the severity of the law, and pardon some offenders: for the end of government being the preservation of all, as much as may be, even the guilty are to be spared, where it can prove no prejudice to the innocent.
John Locke, Second Treatise
http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtr14.htm
U.S. Constitution, Article II Section I. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
Yes, the wonderful law, that put an innocent woman to death with no due process. Abraham Lincoln was not afraid of the courts.
That is your decision. I agree that Greer is the culprit here but I cannot bring myself to blame the Bush brothers on this. And I'm not talking about candle-light vigils, I'm talking about every citizens responsibility to intervene and stop a felony crime in progress. The murder of Terri Shiavo.
Mike
"The Emperor's new robes"Our infallible, divine ruler is a county judge in Florida named George Greer, who has more authority in America than the U.S. Congress, the president and the governor. No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church!
It's a good system if you like monarchy and legally sanctioned murder. But spare me the paeans to "strict constructionism" and "limited government."
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