Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
I heard Judge Bork say that the judiciary was rotten. He said that they had no authority to ignore Congress' Bill or their subpoena. He said the whole thing is out of control. He never said the Executive didn't have the power to act.
Now that you are here I will have to use the damn spell checker that always slows me down. ;)
Machismo at its finest.........all the while, safely sitting in their cozy little living rooms at their computer keyboards. I really admire them for their bravery, don't you? ;o)
"This is one battle lost in a long, long war against the evil that is trying to take over this country...........and you and others on this thread are asking that we shoot our own because they lost this battle."
you are angry because
1. people do not think the Bushes are following through.
2. you talk about not "shooting our own" but trash talk people upset about TS being murdered - called them trolls earlier.
what kind of blatant hypocrisy is that?
3. you assert that i judge people by what is successful? no, a lot of evil endeavors are successful - e.g. hitler was successful in murdering millions of jews. you judge things by the fruit that they bear.
i judge yours to be sycophantic and blind loyalty, enough to "shoot your own" in the back when they get angry about a "bay of pigs" taking place.
4. it is not a "shooting of our own" to ask people in power to do the "right thing" when someone's life is at stake! you exhibit the precise kind of blind party fealty that democrats are proud to claim. and then slime people who would like to see something right done for a change by our elected executive...
What a surprise, now what profession turned our legal system into such a mess that only they can figure it out and even then only sometimes.
That doesn't conflict with saying the whole thing is out of control, however. It clearly is.
But he did say that Jeb couldn't do any more legally..........and that's not a snow job.
Peach, when it all is hashed out, you and I probably agree more than we disagree.
We all have personal stories that shape our opinions. I have a sister with spina bifada. We've loved and cared for her for 40 plus years. I think I probably look at Lisa and what she has meant to our family and then think of Terri and am so sad her family didn't have the chance to love her that way. It's incredibly emotional.
I've lashed out in anger and frustration at Jeb, George, DeLay, Frist, congress, the media and.....my cats.
I don't think you are pro death. I know you're not. And I'm sorry that this sad situation has caused such bad feelings among regular members that have been through so many ups and downs together.
I'm sorry
Got a link? I like to read what he said, I respect Bork, he is a straight shooter.
Well, they don't respond well to the notion of putting up or shutting up, but I hope that in their hearts they will ask themselves why they expect more of another American than they would ask of themselves. Risk is for everyone else, it seems.
I would also hope they would forsee the dangers of an executive branch that defies the law when they disagree with it.
Call me an optimist.
Well fine. If it's all good enough for you and Judge Bork who am I to argue? Just some macho computer cowboy sitting comfortably at home. Not a great American hero like you. I'm sure everything will be great. Don't let your heart be troubled. Terri's euphoric about now.
Well, heck, why don't they just rename the governorshop of Florida the ReichsChancellorship and be done with all the legal niceties?
Some people need to realize that its not always going to be a Republican holding that "supreme executive authority", so you may want to be careful how broadly you define that power.
"One man with courage is a majority" - Jefferson.
I suppose more than one Nazi reference in a post is bad form, but this just begs for a ReichsChancellor reset.
For some reason, I suspect Mr. Jefferson was talking about the courage of a private citizen, not the "courage" of an Chief Executive who wills himself to be a "majority".
What are you risking to make things better, bigmouth?
Political Deathwish vs. Actual Deathwish
Pubbies better make up their minds. I have voted straight Republican ticket for the last 8 yrs because I thought with enough support they would then have the power to prevent the forward march of liberalism. BUT...I guess the death lobby includes a good number of conservatives as well! Who woulda thunk it! NOW I am confused as to where they really stand. Even when they are majority power they cower in the face of the MSM and DemoRATS. This is not just about Terri... this will affect us all. This is a precedent for EUTHANASIA pure and simple. The offspring of the Hemlock Society has it's bony fingers all over this.
LOL. I never dislike posters simply because they disagree with me. Indeed, sometimes, that makes me like them more. That is just the way I am. Cheers.
As much as you. The distinction, of course, being that I'm not whining all day and night that the President of the United States and the Governor of Florida won't break the law for me.
1. I am angry because people are BLAMING the Bushes for what is not their doing.
2. Those people were trolls. LOTS of people are signing on just to join the Bush bashing parties. Unless you are terribly naive, you are aware of that fact. I am FURIOUS that Terri is being murdered.......more angry than I have ever been in my life.
3. You have completely inverted the point on this one. You are blaming Jeb because he did not succeed (or has not thus far). It has nothing to do with Hitler's 'success' in murdering innocents. You only diminish your argument by twisting the essence of what I said.
(And cut out the stupid, stupid 'sycophant' stuff, OK? Look up the word, and never use it again as wrongly as you just did).
4. It IS shooting our own to blame Jeb for this. And to blame the President is utterly foolish.
What is the goal here? Is it LIFE?? Is it??
Do we want to save lives, or do we want to have Bush bashing parties on FR?
Let's DO something about this, OK? Stop being counterproductive, if you really care about LIFE.
Shout it from the mountain tops that LIFE matters. That every life is precious. Call your Senators and Reps, EVERY DAY if necessary. Support your pro-LIFE President's efforts to return a culture of life to this country. Tell everyone you know about what really happened in Florida, about the judge, about the death sentence of an innocent woman.
Try to solve this problem!! Our future depends on it!
I know! Prepare to be called ugly things for saying that the unacceptable is unacceptable.
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