Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
All that Jeb has done over the past years to keep Terri alive is meaningless, because in the end, he wouldn't break the law to save her?
What about soldiers and sailors who fight battles and lose them? Is the war lost? No. Are they worthless failures because they lost? No.
This is one battle lost in a long, long war against the evil that is trying to take over this country...........and you and others on this thread are asking that we shoot our own because they lost this battle.
Use this loss to fight back and win the war. Shooting Jeb will only hurt US.
Is that what you guys really want?
Oh, I've been thinking. I've been thinking it's ridiculous how many people buy the myth that the Executive has no authority to act. You accept that self-destructive lie if you like, I won't. The Constitution is clear in its separation of powers and clearly states the President's duty and authority. I'm sure it's the same for the Governor, the Chief Executive, of FL.
That's a cop out. The bottom line is that you tough-talkers are less willing to take on personal risk for this woman than Governor Bush has been.
Most of you can't even be troubled to hold up a sign, much less risk a night in jail.
You all should stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror.
The problem with the subpoena is that it was phony on its face, and I don't think had the effect legally of reversing the implementation of a decision about a judicial finding as to Terri's wishes, but I am open to legal arguments on that one. In any event, I think the ersatz subpoena was an embarrasing episode. Here is the epilogue: the "hearing" at which Terri was supposed to appear never took place. No contempt citation was sought.
Your ignorance and opposition to Constitutional Republican principles is getting old.
Even Rush doesn't agree with you. And I trust him more than I trust some computer 'expert' like you, who claims to have all the answers........
Okay, let's all take a deep breath, calm down, and stop calling each other names.
Here's some points:
- Some of the extremists on both sides have made everyone involved look bad. Alan Keyes, Randall Terry, Michael Savage, etc. make everyone who supports Terri look bad.
- Michael Schiavo and his lawyer took advantage of bad laws to make their case in court. The best way to ensure that there's not another Terri Schiavo is by directing all the passions that have been used over the past few days to compare people to Dr. Mengele to change state and federal laws so that there's not another Terri.
The subpoena commanded Terry to appear in DC as a witness. Nothing can over rule a congressional subpoena. But congress ran for cover once the PR turned sour.
Okay, Ethrane - then we don't disagree on that much. However, I don't think anything Jeb has failed to do has been from a lack of will. He was sworn to uphold the laws of the state of Florida, whether he thinks they're good laws or not.
It's just sad, I'm worn out.
It is not "murder." That is a legal term. It is killing. The killing was founded on a finding that Terri wanted to die in this circumstance (whatever that circumstance is, which itself is in dispute). Most if they accepted that finding, would not find the matter so controversial, althouugh I think killing in this way is unacceptable. One should just step up to the plate, where the wishes are clear, and by that I mean a writing, a living will, and do a lethal injection. That is my opinion. I suspect it is not particularly popular. So it goes.
You've got both wheels on the right track.
When the best legal minds available have informed the Bushes that they have exhausted their legal powers of intervention, I tend to take their word over that of Freeper "TigersEye", foolish as that may be.
The GOP went to unprecedented measures to save the life of one woman, and were not able to because of unjust laws. But that's what they are.........LAWS.
I, for one, am thankful for having a Republican President and Congress who are pro-life, and I, for one, am going to be more activist than I ever have been to make sure my Republican representatives stay on this like ugly on an ape.
You can shun the GOP if you'd like, but it will only hurt the cause of life.
My ultimate goal is to SAVE LIVES, not to shoot the good guys.
I'm clearly in the minority on this thread, where the majority would rather condemn the ones who tried the most, and allow the country to be turned over to the DEATH culture Dems.
If you don't think stomach tubes should be removed, work to change the laws. They are removed every day of the week all year long in this country in nursing homes, hospices, rehab clinics and hospitals. Every darned day.
But previous to this it never hurt the pro life movement. It never hurt the conservative movement. It never hurt Christianity. Congress didn't try to intrude on what had previously been something handled between doctors and families.
I understand what you are saying. And I don't look right past Terri. What if this IS what Terri wanted? Her parents admitted under oath they knew she was PVS. Doctor and neurologist after therapist told them it was hopeless. They suggested Michael get a life and wanted to meet his girlfriends. THis is a blood feud between those families and it started over money. The malpractice money.
But I don't look past her. I look at what I think she probably wanted which is what everyone I've ever known has wanted for themselves if tragedy struck. We love our families and do not want them bound to us in this way for 15 years. We don't want to be tied to tubes and unable to get out of bed or talk or communicate or have cognitive functions. That is what I've based my opinions on.
And to constantly be told that makes me pro death or whatever other terms people have been coming up with is to be closed minded to some of the realities of life and creates such an atmosphere that it's been impossible to have a real discussion about anything of actual importance on FR.
This used to be a place to discuss, not hurl insults and it's been going on for weeks and it's gotten very, very old.
You may be right, but that subpoena thing was never going to be followed up. It was a Hail Mary pass. If I were the judge Greer, while I would have made different findings, I would have not reversed my decision about the tube so that Terri could appear to "testify" per that subpoena. Never.
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