Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
Oh, swell. Another newbie.
Agreed!
No, a better analogy would be that the supreme court ruled that you MUST execute juveniles convicted of 1st degree murder, and the governor commuted the juvenile's sentence to life without parole. Would you think the governor took the law into his own hands?
"SV,....we are 'brothers'....."
Amen! Sola Deo Gloria!
Garbage. More stupid garbage.
If I saw Nazis under my bed the way these folks do I dont think I would admit it
I understand your point; but a person can only lead if he has those willing to follow his orders. The state agents would have met resistance at the hospice--what then? Officers of the State of Florida clashing? And even if they somehow got her, Jeb would have either a) brought her before a court which would of course release her to Michael's custody, or b) held her extra-judiciously.
This is a terrible case, but it seems that those in the government who are able to actually enforce decisions (police) have sided with Greer. They would not have obeyed Jeb, and he knew this. That's why he didn't act. Short of violent clashes between a private army of the Governor and the police department, with the victor taking custody of Terri's person, there wasn't much he could do.
It is insanity and I tell people if they don't like the laws, get them changed. Make sure that the president gets his judicial nominees appointed, although I think we can pretty much throw that out the window now.
The people who are ticked at the president and Jeb Bush for not breaking the law are advising anarchy. And do they really think that things will be better under a Democrat? Of course not.
We do have some mean spirited freepers who have been here for a while and visit threads other than the political sites and they are too single issue oriented to think through their rhetoric.
But I'd say that the vast majority of the worst threads we've seen are not regular freepers. And it's a shame that the moderator hasn't issued a statement and been a little more forceful with the bannings and suspensions of the worst, repeat offenders.
It dawned on me last weekend what this has done to the pro life movement, Christianity and conservatism. The compassionate face is gone and so are all the strides made. My husband thinks people will forget. I hope he's right but I don't think the Democrats will LET people forget. We'll be hearing about this for a long time.
Amen, brother!
And he could say "let him enforce it." The Executive enforces the law. The contempt charge would just be a piece of paper in a file. Unless FL is quite different than the U.S. Constitution the Chief Executive can only be removed from office, after impeachment, for bad behavior.
I second that, and trolls and Dummies aren't influencing my decisions. The Death Cult wing of the GOP is revolting.
It's disgraceful.
Hardly my reasoning.
Governor Bush has command of the Florida National Guard. we as private citizens do not. she is surrounded by armed guards. it would take armed guards to get her out. we would be arrested. governor would not.
I took a pass on that poll. None of the questions reflected my opinion.
Thanks for making my point.
wrong comparison. you are trying to equate TAKING a life with SAVING one.
Then those that refused to heed the orders of those appointed/elected above them in accordance with the constitution of the State of FL should be standing in the unemployment line. I'm referring to the law enforcement officers that are required to follow the command of the Governor who is the chief law enforcement officer of the state of FL.
You cannnot have a system of "checks and balances" if people do not heed the rules of the 'game'.
If Bush told the Pinellas Sherriff to 'stand down', IMO he would have...but he was never given the ultimatum.
"We'll be hearing about this for a long time"
Some things are worth remembering, lest they repeat themselves over and over.
I also agree, the pro life movement has been harmed....a disabled person is being murdered as a poster child for the Euthenasia movement. The pro death side has a strong foothold on the babies in the womb.... now it's time to do the same with the disabled..... followed closely by the elderly. That about sums it up.
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