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Court spares killer over jury's use of Bible
MSNBC ^ | March 28, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 03/28/2005 12:36:05 PM PST by Sola Veritas

Condemned man gets life in prison for killing waitress Updated: 2:47 p.m. ET March 28, 2005 DENVER - The Colorado Supreme Court threw out the death sentence Monday of a man convicted of raping and killing a cocktail waitress because jurors consulted the Bible during deliberations. The court said Bible passages, including the verse that commands “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” could lead jurors to vote for death. The justices ordered Robert Harlan to serve life in prison without parole for the 1994 slaying of Rhonda Maloney. Harlan’s attorneys challenged the sentence after discovering five jurors had looked up Bible verses, copied some of them down and then talked about them behind closed doors. Prosecutors said jurors should be allowed to refer to the Bible or other religious texts during deliberations.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: antibible; antichristian; antichristianbigotry; bible; churchandstate; constitution; firstammendment; freedomofreligion; secularization
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To: justshutupandtakeit; AmishDude

Henry VI, Part 2 - Act IV, scene 2.


121 posted on 03/28/2005 2:14:02 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: SalukiLawyer
Well, some civil procedure is already governed by the Bible. Compare Matthew 5:37 to Civil Rule 36.
122 posted on 03/28/2005 2:14:19 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: general_re

Thanks. I thought it was one of the Henrys.


123 posted on 03/28/2005 2:16:12 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: SalukiLawyer
They might have been pulling your leg.

No, they were serious. Do you think OJ's legal team wanted anyone on that jury with an IQ higher than room temperature? Do you think John Edwards made a fortune by leaving intelligent, rational people on his juries?

124 posted on 03/28/2005 2:20:50 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Do you think OJ's legal team wanted anyone on that jury with an IQ higher than room temperature? Do you think John Edwards made a fortune by leaving intelligent, rational people on his juries?

You know that both sides get a say in who sits on the jury, right?

125 posted on 03/28/2005 2:32:59 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Modernman

Any high school graduate can write a law that is easy to understand, only a lawyer can so confuse the language as to need another lawyer to interpret it.


126 posted on 03/28/2005 2:36:29 PM PST by jeremiah (The ACLU and lawyers in general, are responsible for 90% of all problems nationwide)
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To: Sola Veritas

-The court said Bible passages, including the verse that commands “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” could lead jurors to vote for death-

Any authority higher than a judge is strictly forbidden.


127 posted on 03/28/2005 2:37:03 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Judges are elected, from a collection of lawyers, I want them elected from any trade except lawyers.

Why should there be a law against leaving things laying around? The guy should have watched where he was going. Having the law does not make society safer, but having a means of suing to get money back in a civil court does. Why should there be criminal law when civil law works better? We don't need law schools and lawyers to have common sense applied in a civil case with a jury of peers and a reasonably intelligent judge.

I know that my ideas are to be considered whacky, but the system of law that we have is worse than whacky, it is corrupt and easily corruptible.

128 posted on 03/28/2005 2:44:23 PM PST by jeremiah (The ACLU and lawyers in general, are responsible for 90% of all problems nationwide)
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To: jeremiah
Any high school graduate can write a law that is easy to understand, only a lawyer can so confuse the language as to need another lawyer to interpret it.

Fine. Go ahead and draft a law governing the sale of publicly-traded securities, if it is so easy.

129 posted on 03/28/2005 2:47:03 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Sola Veritas

Just Incredible.. I can't believe how low our justice system has sunk.


130 posted on 03/28/2005 2:48:16 PM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: wrathof59

It's amazing that was an issue at all.

The defendant should have argued that the case should have been thrown out because the Bible clearly states, "Thow shalt not murder." If murder is forbidden by a religion, then clealy the government cannot make a law prohibiting it, why, that's respecting an establishment of religion.


131 posted on 03/28/2005 2:48:34 PM PST by thompsonsjkc
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To: Modernman

I would think you would want to ask someone that has knowledge of securities, how about asking people in the securities business to write them themselves? Why doesn't stealing cover this? If someone swindles someone out of money, it is stealing, they serve time in jail. No passing the buck, no excuses. If they honestly tried to invest monies and the money was lost, no crime.


132 posted on 03/28/2005 2:52:26 PM PST by jeremiah (The ACLU and lawyers in general, are responsible for 90% of all problems nationwide)
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To: Sola Veritas

Where the hell was this kind of mercy for Terri damnit ?


133 posted on 03/28/2005 2:53:36 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: jeremiah
I would think you would want to ask someone that has knowledge of securities

Like a securities lawyer?

134 posted on 03/28/2005 2:59:35 PM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Sola Veritas
but remember, all, we must always, always follow what the judges say, afterall, they are better than us (and more IMPORTANT!!!) and infact, they are GOD.....like Judge Greer.....

the Terri Schiavo case has everything to do with our out of control and arrogant judicial system, yet people still want to play by the "rules" and let it continue....

135 posted on 03/28/2005 3:00:14 PM PST by cherry
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To: jeremiah
Judges are elected, from a collection of lawyers, I want them elected from any trade except lawyers.

"You can only interpret the law if you don't know what it is" is a peculiar idea.

Why should there be a law against leaving things laying around?

How about buried land mines? Or razor blades in a daycare? Or a handful of nails on the road?

The guy should have watched where he was going.

You have come up with an exception to the general rule that "if you hurt somebody, you pay them back". Excellent. That's common law, and it's what judges do.

We don't need law schools and lawyers to have common sense applied in a civil case with a jury of peers and a reasonably intelligent judge.

Because sometimes people disagree on what common sense dictates. In that case, society defers to "what did we do last time?", and that's where law comes from.

In addition, some disputes are too complicated to have common sense applied. Homespun wisdom doesn't help much if the dispute is, say, between two steel companies over provisions in a asset sale and liability assumption agreement.

136 posted on 03/28/2005 3:00:55 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: jeremiah
If someone swindles someone out of money, it is stealing, they serve time in jail. No passing the buck, no excuses. If they honestly tried to invest monies and the money was lost, no crime.

What happens when the broker says it was an honest lost investment, and the buyer says they were robbed? Wouldn't it be helpful to have a set of rules so that you could tell which was which?

137 posted on 03/28/2005 3:02:49 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Steve_Seattle

maybe the jurors were idiots, but was their action so despicable, so subversive that an important judgment had to be overturned?....no, I don't think so......


138 posted on 03/28/2005 3:03:03 PM PST by cherry
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To: AmericanChef
Any authority higher than a judge is strictly forbidden.

Yes. Forbidden by our laws, our Constitution, our traditions, and our common sense.

139 posted on 03/28/2005 3:03:34 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: 2banana
Hey, now, no bangin' on Tarantino! Pulp Fiction taught me numerous life lessons, the most important of which is to avoid pawnshop owners named Zed. (Second is never touch Mrs. Wallace's feet, and don't even think about letting her snort heroin.)
140 posted on 03/28/2005 3:05:49 PM PST by Xenalyte (I dare you to make less sense.)
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