Posted on 03/25/2005 8:53:26 PM PST by Saberwielder
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I cannot think of a more two-timing "ally"
Two timing ally ping!!
Rhetorical question: Will we continue to shield Pakistan after one of their nukes sold by a "rogue scientist operating without government consent" ends up turning a US city into a radioactive parking lot?
Come on, the REAL deal behind this story is now the MSM will be asking how they can tie this to the Bush Administration--Is this their Iran-Contra???? or something. I can almost see Dan Abrams's so-concerned expression as he asks that rhetorical question.
Shooo,how dare you show the gall to criticise an American ally!!!!An ally run by a genuine visionary & a greatman,who has threatened nuclear war on atleast 4 ocassions.A country where guided tours to North Korea are organised by messrs AQ Khan & co using C-130s & where terrorists slit the throats of American journalists & ask in their ransom demand for the restart of F-16 supplies.
When Hazel O'Leary was Chief Cook 'n Bottle Washer at DOE....nobody had to steal anything. She made em a present of the all the secrets they needed. Those countries that specialized in the black art of reverse engineering could be identified by the drool on their lobster bibs at state dinners during the Clintonista regime..........just my opinion of course but I believe we made the Paki's buy the F16's for their treachery and deceit.....that'll teach em !
Oscilloscopes? That's a dual use tech if I ever heard one...well kinda. Also, wonder what Karni got pinched for back over a year ago? Triggered spark gaps. Also a dual-use item, but necessary for nuke development. Remember that Iraq bought these from the US in the form of medical equipment. One machine, 100 switches.
Tks for the links. The spark gaps are more sinister IMO because a Pakistani attempt to buy 200 of them means that they are trying to expand their arsenal beyond their stated policy of "minimum" deterrent. Could it be that they are building them for someone else, say like the Saudis?
I heard on the [radio] news that the F-16 is nuclear capable.
What makes it so as compared to any other jet?
I've seen some diagrams about how US fighter/bombers were intended to deliver a nuke, but they assumed the pilot(s) would survive...
The state dept has a lot to answer for. Pakis are fooling it left right and center. US cant investigate illegal nuclear deals because pakis might be embarrased? who is the state dept working for? pakis or americans?
Any jet is N-capable as long as you hardwire it for the role.Some carry only gravity bombs,others stand-off bombs,while longrange bombers may deploy N-tipped cruise missiles-depending on the level of technology.Modifying an F-16 to carry gravity bombs is not exactly rocket science & Pakistan undertook that exercise with it's early purchase of F-16s nearly 20 years back.That did play a role in Bush Sr's decision to cancel further sales to the Pakis.What makes an F-16 formidable is that it can fight it's way in & out of enemy territory to unleash a nuclear payload,unlike Pakistan's Mirage-5s or Chinese built A-5s.
Sure.
In that case even a Cessna 172 can carry a nuke.
No. Our jets, in particular the F16 in this case (US models) are set up for nuke payloads. What we export is not.
For example, you mention Mirage. The French have a "special" version of the Mirage 2000(N) which is nuke capable. A standard Mirage 2000 is not.
Red6
MLRS, Lance, M109A6, F117, B52, F16, F15, F18, A6, B1, B2......Are all nuke capable theoretically.
Your "car" is nuke capable theoretically!
Realistically the systems we sell lack certain capabilities. Nuke, ECCM, Orbital Mechanics........get to be controlled real quick. The F16s we export don't even have the radars we use. Nor do the M1 tanks have our armor. Nor do the F16s we export have a nuke capability outside that of a theoretical one, which any airplane can have.
But to the Indians here the sheer fact that we are selling Pakistan a weapon bothers them. So they attack this issue in all angles. This being one of them.
Red6
Ok,you are saying that Pakis can't hardwire their F-16s for the N-strike role??They did that well over a decade ago-sorry they didn't have the courtesy to inform you,it is available in most resources on Pakistan's N-programme.
The Mirage-2000N is N-capable with the ASMP cruise missile & standoff bombs & lowlevel strike capabilities & whatnot.An Indian Mirage-2000 can drop only N-gravity bombs & there is plenty of proof that the late Indian prime minister Rajiv Gandhi witnessed a tossbombing trial by Indian Mirage-2000s after he gave the go-ahead to weaponise India's nukes.
Now, their North Korean supplied NoDongs are supposedly facing many issues. Their ability to make a small enough warhead for their Chinese supplied missiles is not a proven one. So do you really think that they will forsake the opportunity to use their Block 52 F-16s with its ECM abilities and AMRAAMs as an addition to their nuclear strike force?
For a first strike posture that Pakistan maintains, credibility is everything. Don't be too shocked if you hear 5 years from now that the new Vipers are a part of Pakistan's nuclear force. A good General always uses every weapon in his armory, political reasons notwithstanding.
We look great sending a top-notch multirole nuclear-capable jet to a country that sold nuclear technology to every rogue nation on earth and then some. I have little doubt we will regret this should Musharraf be overthrown and some mullah General uses our planes to vaporize Bombay. Sheesh.
this is the LA times, could it be that the "thefts" started long before 2000? Remember they had nuclear tech before Bush took office.
Some of this does not make sense.
The issue here is that Pakistan is reneging on its promise to end the nuclear trade thing once and for all. And the sad part is that we won't do anything about it.
so how did they make a bomb BEFORE bush took office?
I also was under the impression that the USA actually gave them command and control tech in order to keep the integrity of the chain of command. IOW to prevent a rogue from taking the bomb.
MSM spin is most correct. If this is "quality" reporting from the west coast NYT then the Mediots are correct to be worried about regular citizens communicating across the internet.
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