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Classic maths puzzle cracked at last (May lead to advances in particle physics & computer security)
NewScientist.com news service ^ | 03/21/2005 | Maggie McKee

Posted on 03/25/2005 8:50:03 AM PST by bedolido

A number puzzle originating in the work of self-taught maths genius Srinivasa Ramanujan nearly a century ago has been solved. The solution may one day lead to advances in particle physics and computer security.

Karl Mahlburg, a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, US, has spent a year putting together the final pieces to the puzzle, which involves understanding patterns of numbers.

"I have filled notebook upon notebook with calculations and equations," says Mahlburg, who has submitted a 10-page paper of his results to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The patterns were first discovered by Ramanujan, who was born in India in 1887 and flunked out of college after just a year because he neglected his studies in subjects outside of mathematics.

But he was so passionate about the subject he wrote to mathematicians in England outlining his theories, and one realised his innate talent. Ramanujan was brought to England in 1914 and worked there until shortly before his untimely death in 1920 following a mystery illness.

Curious patterns Ramanujan noticed that whole numbers can be broken into sums of smaller numbers, called partitions. The number 4, for example, contains five partitions: 4, 3+1, 2+2, 1+1+2, and 1+1+1+1.

He further realised that curious patterns - called congruences - occurred for some numbers in that the number of partitions was divisible by 5, 7, and 11. For example, the number of partitions for any number ending in 4 or 9 is divisible by 5.

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"For example, the number of partitions for any number ending in 4 or 9 is divisible by 5."

Since we happen to use a base 10 system (for no other reason than we learn to count on 10 fingers), do problems like this really matter? Is there an equivalent observation to be had in binary, trinary, or any other base? If not, then why should we care about such silly patterns?

41 posted on 03/25/2005 9:10:58 AM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: monkeyshine

"How is it a "puzzle"? It's a coincidence, or a feature of mathematics but what is so puzzling about it? Tell me why math has this feature, and then you will be on to something. The article alludes to "why" but doesn't spell it out, and I don't think that it is possible to say why prime numbers have this feature, that's just the way it is."

No such thing as a "coincidence" in math. If one things operates in a given way, all related fields act the same way. It's how our logic grasps it.

Think of pi. Is 3.141592653... in all circles a coincidence? Or does it have implications in how we handle geometry?


42 posted on 03/25/2005 9:12:09 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Graybeard58

Somebody needs to take a grammars class.


You stole my comment. Now I'm stuck with just... read later bump. ;-)


43 posted on 03/25/2005 9:12:48 AM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: Xenalyte
It's because the whole word ends in an "S" - mathematics. It's one of those irritating maybe-plural-maybe-not words like "Politics." Popular usage is "Mathematics is a lovely field of study," and "Politics is a very lucrative line of work," but "Hillary's politics are corrupt, evil, and cryptofascist." Don't ask me why. I think the English did it just to p!ss us off.
44 posted on 03/25/2005 9:13:15 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: MacDorcha; All
Chemistry, mechanics, physics, STOCK MARKET... this stuff can go anywhere.

There was an extremely dark movie made a few years ago using this premise called "Pi".

45 posted on 03/25/2005 9:13:28 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: AmishDude
I saw Ken Ono give a talk on this.

Didn't he cause the breakup of a famous group of mathemeticians back in the 70's?

46 posted on 03/25/2005 9:13:36 AM PST by Larry Lucido (We miss ya, Indie! Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - http://www.leap.cc)
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To: Larry Lucido

Pi are round, cornbread are squared...


47 posted on 03/25/2005 9:13:45 AM PST by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: SteveMcKing

If you used a base 12 math system, 5 would STILL go in to 10 twice.

The functions of math don't change with your method of keeping track.

I thought about what you said as well.


48 posted on 03/25/2005 9:13:52 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Larry Lucido

Okay, I'm going away now. I admit I have nothing substantive to contribute to this thread, being unlearned in any of the various maths.


49 posted on 03/25/2005 9:14:51 AM PST by Larry Lucido (We miss ya, Indie! Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - http://www.leap.cc)
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To: Billthedrill

We dump their tea, they screw with our language!


50 posted on 03/25/2005 9:15:01 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: SteveMcKing
Is there an equivalent observation to be had in binary, trinary, or any other base?

try it in hexidecimal (base 16). 1 thru 10, plus A thru F.

old mainframe programmer speaks of nightmares from the past.

51 posted on 03/25/2005 9:15:59 AM PST by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Still haven't seen it. Want to though.


52 posted on 03/25/2005 9:16:02 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: bedolido

I read the article but I still don't understand CBS's new show, Numbers.


53 posted on 03/25/2005 9:17:13 AM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: monkeyshine

The question is meaningless if there can be no answer.


54 posted on 03/25/2005 9:17:15 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: MacDorcha
Think of performing arithmetic, but when you give the final answer, give the remainder upon division by 8.

1*1=1

3*3=1

5*5=1

7*7=1

Furthermore, if you multiply any two of {1,3,5,7}, you get something in that set. But with this kind of arithmetic, 1 has four square roots.

55 posted on 03/25/2005 9:17:50 AM PST by AmishDude (The Clown Prince-in-a-can of Free Republic!)
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To: Larry Lucido
Didn't he cause the breakup of a famous group of mathemeticians back in the 70's?

lol... weren't they called the prime-tles? (sorry)

56 posted on 03/25/2005 9:18:27 AM PST by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: RadioAstronomer
There was an extremely dark movie made a few years ago using this premise called "Pi".

Which appears to be part of the inspiration for the current TV series "NUMB3RS."

57 posted on 03/25/2005 9:21:13 AM PST by Erasmus (Sled dogs and Englishmen go out in the midnight sun.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

contraction of "mathenatics" - maths.


58 posted on 03/25/2005 9:21:40 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: bedolido

Yes, for a time they went to India and became followers of the Guru Ramanujan.


59 posted on 03/25/2005 9:22:12 AM PST by Larry Lucido (We miss ya, Indie! Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - http://www.leap.cc)
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To: MacDorcha
We dump their tea, they screw with our language!

Yeah, but we got 'em back. We talked them into playing baseball with a wooden ball and no gloves. MUhahahahaha....

60 posted on 03/25/2005 9:23:08 AM PST by Billthedrill
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