Posted on 03/24/2005 7:22:09 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
Edited on 03/24/2005 7:43:21 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Michael Schiavo has filed a petition with the Supreme Court asking them to stay out of the case.
Not a good enough reason to sanction state sponsored euthanasia potentially against someone's will.
It sucks worse than the Elian Gonzalez case, but it it what it is.
Even if the law was being interpreted correctly, the principle would be lex mala, lex nulla. A bad law is no law. Elian should not have been deported. Terri should be allowed to live in the absence of her explicit wishes on this subject.
Ivan
Perhaps then you also intended as a rhetorical question your original statement that, according to Christian beliefs, it's interfering with God's will to provide lifesaving procedures for injury victims. There are numerous Christian apologists and scholars who've written about the nature of God's will versus seemingly bad or evil things happening to His people. If you're sincerely interested in learning how Judeo-Christian believers view this, I'm sure there are several on this thread who can provide reading recommendations.
Honoring Terri's wishes:
I don't want to be kept alive by artifical means;
Okay
How about
If my husband ever commits adultery, I want a divorce.
Just a thought but if you honor one statement you honor them all.
Where did you get your legal degree?
The Scchindler's had no grounds supporting their allegations.
You can't just demand that a Judge recuse him or herself from a trial simply based on the fact that you don't agree with their decisions.
Florida law makes it nearly impossible for Michael to divorce Terri.
That's right.
I wonder if some (on here) would want their MR's posted on the net and the MSM?
You do this hot-blooded machismo thing like an old pro. It's quite intimidating. Truly.
No better than you do the old gossipy biddy talking about the neighbors behind their back bit.
Elian Gonzales' father's rights trumped Elian's right to liberty and Micheal Schiavo's rights as a husband trumps his wife's right to life. Or so the left says. IOWs men may treat their women and children as property. The Dems are doing really well on civil rights issues these days. They are moving wayyyyy back to try to recapture traditional values as their issue. Maybe Robert Byrd will be able to put his sheets back on soon.
In terms of inalienable rights I consider the right to life to be the most basic, the most fundamental, without life you can't very well exercise any other right. Yet the argument seems to be that spousal rights trump it. Spousal rights are being trumpeted as an absolute that even the other spouse's right to life must bow to. Sounds like wife as chattel to me.
Is that what you are defending? That the weaker spouse is property? I bet that doesn't bode well for you.
Re: "What good does it do to have 500 representatives of the people make law when one unelected man can declare it null and void then proceed to craft and enforce his own without accountability?"
You mean to say - that if a person saw a house on fire and children screaming for help inside - but there was a sign on the yard saying "No Trespassing" - you would just stand there, do nothing, and let them die - because the sign said "No Trespassing"?
The Presisdent saw for himself that there were disturbing questions in this case that needed to be investigated.
I believe thae he and Jeb saw that "No Traspassing" sign and decided to act!
Florida denied custody.
Actually, yes you can under FL law. They first filed in '94 based on the fact that Greer had talked about the case with the media and with people not connected with the case. Their claim was that they couldn't expect impartiality due to that.
A little voice in my head keeps asking "Why is it always Florida?". Is it my imagination, or does this state's legal system have a striking propensity for generating huge fiascoes? During the 2002 election mess, there seemed to be all sorts of vagueness in Florida law with regard to elections, and utter confusion among the state courts as to what to do (and this only a couple of years after a big mess in which an elected official -- mayor of Miami -- had been hauled back out of office after being sworn in, due to a similar election-law fiasco). And only a few months ago, the fallout from that was still underway, with Gov. Bush having to intervene directly in order to get a blatantly incompetent and dishonest election supervisor removed from office (Dade County, IIRC), after all regular legal channels had faile to accomplish what basically everybody recognized needed to be done. And Florida's child protective services system seems to be a standout as well, with multiple high profile failures being followed by officials having their hands legally tied, with regards to efforts to remedy the situation and fire the responsible workers.
Why thank you!
And I was referring to Michael Schiavo, which was the thread's title and original story.
Defending?
I'm trying to pint out that the problem is with the law, not with the legal system.
You're all so hell bent on wallowing in hyperbole that you are unable to see or think clearly at this point.
My hyperbole pales in comparison to yours. As usual.
There. To your face. Anonymously. On the internet. What a rush. I can feel my spine regenerating already.
Words have distinct, legal meanings, this is not euthanasia.
Against whose will exactly?
You have opposing sides saying what Terri wanted, both highly biased.
"Even if the law was being interpreted correctly, the principle would be lex mala, lex nulla. A bad law is no law."
So you condone Judicial activism.
Citizen, I like you could not see where that link mentioned PVS. In fact I just did a Google on PVS (I tried all different ways) and I didn't come up with anything. I do remember though reading somewhere not to long ago who the doctor was who first called it PVS and it seems like it was not that many years back.
In Terri's situation though I am not sure if the Florida Statute was after Terri's condition or before. The one thing I have heard quite often though was FLORIDA CHANGED THE HERESAY LAW (to allow heresay) several years after this happened to Terri and THAT IS WHEN MICHIAL SCHIAVO SUDDENLY REMEMBERED. "Oh by the way Terri didn't want to live like this."
In the absence of knowing what Terri wants, I am saying she should be allowed to live, you are saying she should be killed. The bias you suggest is perverse.
So you condone Judicial activism.
No. Those words were uttered by Richard Nixon to Pat Buchanan, when he was talking about bombing Communists and Congress wanted to stop him. The judiciary in this case in the person of Judge Greer, is actually defying good practice and principle, rewriting the law as it were - including Greer not recusing himself although his biases in the case are known and telling the state government it should not obey the law in terms of taking Terri into custody.
Ivan
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