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IF JEB BUSH DOEN'T ACT QUICKLY TO SAVE TERRY SCHIAVO, HIS POLLITICAL CARREER IS FINISHED!!
The wierd mind of gonzo ^ | march 24, 2005 | gonzo

Posted on 03/23/2005 11:50:16 PM PST by gonzo

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To: texasflower
Maybe Terri's purpose on earth has been fulfilled and she is just days away from being in the arms of her savior.

I can understand where you're coming from. And I can also understand where others believe that she may serve a higher purpose by proving the doubters that she is better off than popularly reported.

I always pray for the best for all concerned.

I have to admit that there seems to be some evil at work here.

181 posted on 03/24/2005 1:43:30 AM PST by easonc52
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To: texasflower
I am sorry about your dad! I agree with you that the emotional outburst are coming from so many on FR. I do not think that Jeb Bush has given one thought to his career.

Instead of why not put the blame where it is due, Judge Greer?
182 posted on 03/24/2005 1:44:38 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
It sounds like he is very much contemplating unilateral action.

(See my tagline.)

183 posted on 03/24/2005 1:44:39 AM PST by Lancey Howard (tick.... tick.... tick.... tick)
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To: Jim Robinson; gonzo; spiralsue
I'm with you, Gonzo. Praying that Jeb does the right thing.

I agree. Jeb said yesterday afternoon that the Department of Children and Families could go get her. Well, for God's sake, for Terri's sake DO IT!

I am sick of chicken-s**t politicians. Pat Buchanan just said it best on 'Spitball' with Chris Matthews, "action creates consensus". The people will understand that the right thing was done after it is done.

Again Jeb Bush said it yesterday at that press conference, what the heck is he waiting for.

This girl, it has become clear to all who have been reading and listening closely to this case, has been mistreated for the past 15 years, yet she hung on. And, it is very likely that she was mistreated BEFORE her "incident". How does anyone explain all her mended broken bones?

This is a travesty, and I swear I feel dirty just seeing this inaction! It is a sickening feeling as Good Friday approaches.

Jeb, get on the phone, do what you must. Be a man........ a moral man!

Make it a Good Thursday.

184 posted on 03/24/2005 1:44:59 AM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: gonzo
He can deal with the legalities later,

Suppose he does step around the law and the ruling of the courts somehow, and gets her feeding tube reinserted. Everyone applauds, everyone is thrilled, and her parents are given hope again.

Then the courts step in, slap him down, and take the tube back out again, only this time, it's iron-clad. Then what?

Never mind his career - what does something like that do to her parents?

185 posted on 03/24/2005 1:45:08 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (This tagline is Bush's fault.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
NO. I heard the press conference. That's not exactly what he said. That poster heard what he wanted to hear, as did some others that posted on that thread.

Get a transcript. It sounded to me like the said, that he considers everything from the executive point of view because that's what he is. I believe he also said that he had done what he could.

Let me go try to get the transcript.
186 posted on 03/24/2005 1:45:15 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: mariabush
I do very much blame Greer. Jeb may not have given any thought to his career, but he has to be wary of how his actions might reflect on the President.

No doubt about it, this entire mess started with Greer.

One of my problems on this thread is that they are basically threatening Jeb if he doesn't do what they want him to do. It's not Jeb's fault.

Thanks for the kind word about my Dad.
187 posted on 03/24/2005 1:48:25 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower
Bush would be throwing out our entire system.

It is ok for the excutive to "throw out our entire system" in cases where a life is at stake. He has the power of executive clemency. If he has it to save criminals, he has it to save the innocent.

188 posted on 03/24/2005 1:48:31 AM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: sinkspur

I haven't head that they have ruled on the constitutionality at all. They merely said, for an emergency injunction to be issued, there has to be grounds for suspecting that the party requesting the injunction could prevail.

As though it were any ole federal case. Totally ignoring the law's instructions for a total new review -- which they would have HAD to do before ruling that the injunction is not warranted; BUT in this case they didn't BECAUSE, HEY, YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO PREVAIL. We all know that YOU AREN'T GOING TO PREVAIL. WE ARE JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS.

Look, a law passed by Congress has prima facie cause to be considered constitutional!! Especially one would presume in an emergency situation, where the INTENT was to protect the LIFE of the subject pending a total new review.

If they HAD ordered feeding restored, and HAD begun a review, they WOULD have easily discovered that there ARE grounds that the parents might prevail -- such as have come to fore today! In their hurry, they have some egg on their faces.

The courts IGNORED all that, but they didn't say it was unconstitutional for Congress to so instruct them. Congress does have the power to determine the jurisdiction fo the federal courts, and they extended jurisdiction to this case.


189 posted on 03/24/2005 1:49:40 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH
Congress does have the power to determine the jurisdiction fo the federal courts, and they extended jurisdiction to this case.

And the judiciary has the power to decline to act, which is what it has done.

190 posted on 03/24/2005 1:52:15 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: texasflower

It's too late for me to go into all it would take to respond. I disagree completely. AND: Why is it that people say "conspiracy" when they disagree? I said NOTHING about any CONSPIRACY.


191 posted on 03/24/2005 1:52:51 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: texasflower

God will use this to his good--as he used his Son's death to good. When I hear about all the evidence that was supressed in this ordeal, I wonder if this is not a conspiracy to unleash the virus of euthanasia on this nation by Satin himself.


192 posted on 03/24/2005 1:53:32 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: easonc52
And I can also understand where others believe that she may serve a higher purpose by proving the doubters that she is better off than popularly reported.

I understand that point of view as well, honestly I do.

God can do that without destroying the Bush family and I believe He would have done that already if he intended for Terri to stay here on earth.

Maybe He wants her home with HIM.

193 posted on 03/24/2005 1:53:58 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower
This will not hurt President Bush! It is never wrong to do right and I believe that both Jeb and the President have done every thing that they can. God will judge those that have taken the wrong approach in this case.

The silver lining is that nearly everyone in the country is not going to do something to prevent this from happening in their own family.

Hopefully everyone will cool off and save some of this energy for the next crisis.
194 posted on 03/24/2005 1:54:02 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Not this time. That game is up. Greer and Michael can't play that hand again.


195 posted on 03/24/2005 1:54:35 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: sinkspur

"And the judiciary has the power to decline to act, which is what it has done."

They totally ignored executive and legislative intent, which is the purpose of the law. No, they were arrogant and unresponsive, because of a pre-ordained agenda. They were not acting judicially.


196 posted on 03/24/2005 1:57:29 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: gonzo
I'm with you, gonzo.

For whatever it's worth? My wife ( the "new deal Democrat"-- think Zell Miller or Pat Moynihan ) is absolutely horrified at the Left's stance on this. Her office mate ( she calls him the "little Liberal girly-man" ) is, too.

Don't believe what you see from the screaming faces on the TV-- this "issue" cuts across ideology, party lines, and everything else.

My vest-pocket take on it?

"Don't care about Terri? Don't sweat it, but don't forget...
...you are next..."

197 posted on 03/24/2005 1:58:19 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: texasflower
I don't think all of these judges are willing to risk their careers by deliberately ignoring the law.

No, but they will risk anything to gain power. Many judges are appointed and serve for life, these will make every decision based upon the maximum accumulation of power to the judge. Those elected are promoting law that will change their election to life terms, and then duplicate appointed judges seizure of power. You will note that now a judge you can't get rid of now decides if he himself or one of his buddies is breaking the law.

Check out Marbury Vs. Madison to see the strategy.

Eventually, we will have no legislators, executives or votes, only judges to decide EVERYTHING.

198 posted on 03/24/2005 1:59:43 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: AMDG&BVMH
Not this time. That game is up. Greer and Michael can't play that hand again.

I'm glad you think so. Personally, I don't believe it.

199 posted on 03/24/2005 2:00:50 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (This tagline is Bush's fault.)
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To: Critter

I understand your point about the clemency for criminals but no power to do that for Terri.

I don't disagree that the laws aren't right. I just have a problem with our executives taking the law into their own hands.

I only mentioned my Dad because understand what is like to watch a loved one die, not because of any attempt to compare the case. Just that I can really relate to the pain of losing someone you love.

My Dad was able to make his own decision about the tube. It's what he wanted. Terri doesn't have that ability.

I hate that she doesn't. I am as furious as you all are with Greer and our court system.

I just don't want to see the chaos that would occur if the President or Governor Bush were to do something illegal.


200 posted on 03/24/2005 2:00:51 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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