Posted on 03/23/2005 11:50:16 PM PST by gonzo
If Terri dies when she could actually be kept alive, and Jeb Bush doesn't use the State Police or the Florida National Guard, or ANYTHING to prevent this travesty, he will be vilified by the democRATS if he ever seeks another office (like the Presidency).
It means nothing that some democRATS are actually trying to keep her alive. The only thing that the MSM will hammer on is that he stood by AS Governor and allowed that poor woman to DIE when he could have prevented it.
It makes one wonder how come Felos always succeeds but the other side is always up against a brick wall. I have heard all the reasons, bad advice, bad attorneys and such but give me a break. Deep down I feel there is so much more to this story than we know.
"Bush would be throwing out our entire system."
He would be doing nothing of the sort.
The legislation Congress passed clearly intended the federal court to order Terri's feeding and hydration restored, and then a complete review of everything about the case, from the beginning. This they did not do. They IGNORED the LEGISLATIVE INTENT that they are SUPPOSED TO USE in determining the meaning of a law that they are applying to a specific case.
IOW THEY are the ones who abrogated the power of the legislature and executive by blowing it off completely. THEY are the ones violating the rule of law!
Let's see if the Supreme Court carries on the same fiction of pretending not to notice that the lower court and 11th circuit completely ignored what the law's intent was in siding with Greer's ruling that you MUST kill this woman!!! Who as new testimony shows may not even be PVS!! I.E. NOT legally eligible to be killed!
Don't you see? It is IMPERATIVE that her life be saved. It is like: they are killing the wrong person. The court is killing a PVS person, but she is NOT PVS.
The executive has a DUTY to protect innocent life in such a case. They have a DUTY to go get her if Greer continues ignoring reality and insists on killing the wrong person, even after testimony today from Social Services.
It is ILLEGAL to kill a non-PVS person by starvation, and there is evidence that precisely that is being done, unless Greer reverses himself, The Governor Has No Choice.
I don't know. He doesn't seem to be denying it in post 153.
Those kind of comments really hurt me. My dad died in October after his feeding tube was removed. Terri's case is very close to my heart.
If you are interested, I have a short tribute to my dad on my profile page.
Finally someone with some common sense! I don't want Terri to die either and totally disagree with the courts, but we are a nation of laws and I believe that Jeb Bush has and will do everything that he can to keep her a live.
This is true. Most people I have talked to believed she was brain dead.
No. I don't think you are pro death. I think you want this to work out within the law. So do I.
The problem is, it is the judges who are ignoring the law.
I know you do, tf . . . s'okay. and I am lol that we both speak southern . . . honey! see you later.
Which is my entire point. Jeb is one of the good guys and this would destroy his career and affect his brother's presidency. God doesn't need to destroy the Bush family in order to save Terri.
Maybe Terri's purpose on earth has been fulfilled and she is just days away from being in the arms of her savior.
Thanks cyn. Have a good night.
Greer's injunction to the DCF is his desperate shot to slow things down before the details in Terri's case get busted out into the open and his many judicial mistakes and misdemeanors are plastered all over the media.
He's just admitted one of his serious errors and it alone should be grounds for reversal of Greer's case.
IOW, Greer now has a compelling vested interest in Terri's death--and the longer he can hold off Governor Bush and the DCF,the better chance everything will be rendered moot by Terri's death.
All the perps in this case will walk free.
But the Florida legislature, in one of its more cogent actions, created a path around any corrupt member of the Judicial Branch--especially Judges of Probate. Let's pray the Governor--as Chief Executive--triggers the DCF to act.
415.1051 Protective services interventions when capacity to consent is lacking; nonemergencies; emergencies; orders; limitations.--
2)EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE SERVICES INTERVENTION.--If the department has reasonable cause to believe that a vulnerable adult is suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury to the vulnerable adult and that the vulnerable adult lacks the capacity to consent to emergency protective services, the department may take action under this subsection. If the vulnerable adult has the capacity to consent and refuses consent to emergency protective services, emergency protective services may not be provided.
(b)Emergency removal from premises.--If it appears that the vulnerable adult lacks the capacity to consent to emergency protective services and that the vulnerable adult, from the personal observations of the representative of the department and specified medical personnel or law enforcement officers, is likely to incur a risk of death or serious physical injury if such person is not immediately removed from the premises, then the representative of the department shall transport or arrange for the transportation of the vulnerable adult to an appropriate medical or protective services facility in order to provide emergency protective services. Law enforcement personnel have a duty to transport when medical transportation is not available or needed and the vulnerable adult presents a threat of injury to self or others. If the vulnerable adult's caregiver or guardian is present, the protective investigator must seek the caregiver's or guardian's consent pursuant to subsection (4) before the vulnerable adult may be removed from the premises, unless the protective investigator suspects that the vulnerable adult's caregiver or guardian has caused the abuse, neglect, or exploitation. The department shall, within 24 hours after providing or arranging for emergency removal of the vulnerable adult, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays, petition the court for an order authorizing emergency protective services.
The emotional outbursts are not coming from me. I am trying to temper the emotion that is driving people to say crazy things.
The federal judges are telling the Congress that their "law" is unconstitutional.
" people argue FOR a Judicial Oligarcy that combines the power to judge with the ability to cast aside legislation and relegislate out of whole cloth and expect slavish executive police enforcement in the name of 'separation of powers.' "
He concisely said it in one breath. It was a good post. I was talking about this part.
This is no place to make noise and then wuss out and fail Terri and let the Rats win. I don't think conservatives will go out of their way to vote for a pansy that shot off his mouth and then let the Rats send him away, tail between legs.
The Rats, however would be energized by being able to shove their agenda down a Bush throat.
What I would like to see is some defiance of the delaying tactics of these judges. Simply use force. It might start by Jeb gathering about a hundred State Police officers that are loyal to him and Issuing legal pardons to them for any crime committed against Florida law. Things would get interesting about then.
My dad passed away a few years back under similar circumstances so I can empathize with you. But yours and my case are totally different than Terri's.
Both of our fathers were elderly, unconscious and terminally ill. Terri is neither elderly, unconscious nor terminally ill.
To respond to separations of powers, isn't it strange that we the people gave the executive the power, in the form of executive clemency, to stop a life from being taken after criminal trials, jury verdicts and lost appeals, yet we don't think the executive should have the power now, to stop a life from being taken without any of the aforementioned?
The Constitution guarantees that no one will be deprived of life without due process of law, and that due process includes a jury trial. When was Terri's jury trial?
When did a jury of 12 of her peers unanimously sentence her to death?
This thread has turned into too much of a flame war
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