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SCHIAVO INTERVENTION ENDS
The Hill ^ | 3/23/05

Posted on 03/23/2005 9:01:53 AM PST by areafiftyone

Congressional Republicans who took extraordinary measures last weekend to prolong the life of Terri Schiavo say there are no further steps Congress can take to intervene.

A federal district-court judge declined yesterday to issue an order to reinsert Schiavo’s feeding tube. Schiavo’s parents have appealed the ruling to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta.

The court ruling concerning the Florida woman whom doctors say has been in a “persistent vegetative state” for 15 years prompted a strong statement from House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), who said that the court violated the “clear intent of Congress,” which passed a emergency Schiavo bill last weekend.

Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), who drafted legislation that served as starting point for a narrower bill passed by the Senate, said, “I am deeply disappointed by this decision today, but I believe this matter now belongs in the hands of the judiciary.”

DeLay went further, saying, “Congress explicitly provided Terri Schiavo’s family recourse to federal court, and this decision is at odds with both the clear intent of Congress and the constitutional rights of a helpless young woman.

“Section two of the legislation we passed clearly requires the court determine de novo the merits of the case — or in layman’s terms, it requires a completely new and full review of the case.

“Section three requires the judge to grant a temporary restraining order because he cannot fulfill his or her recognized duty to review the case de novo without first keeping Terri Schiavo alive.”

DeLay did not, however, signal any further steps that Congress might take.

Section three of the Schiavo law states that the judge “shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights” of Schiavo.

But Senate floor statements appear to contradict DeLay’s interpretation. An earlier version of the bill included language mandating that the court issue a stay. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) objected to the provision and negotiated to have it removed. GOP leaders needed the consent of Senate Democrats to move the bill in a speedy fashion, and during a House floor speech DeLay later thanked Senate Democrats for their cooperation.

During Senate consideration of the bill Sunday, Levin engaged in a colloquy, or conversation on the floor, with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), stating his belief that the bill would not require the court to issue a stay.

Frist agreed, saying, “Nothing in the current bill or its legislative history mandates a stay. I would assume, however, the federal court would grant a stay based on the facts of this case because Mrs. Schiavo would need to be alive in order for the court to make its determination. Nevertheless, this bill does not change current law, under which a stay is discretionary.”

A House Judiciary Committee aide said that the final law was stronger than the initial Senate bill and that it did require the judge to issue a stay.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) also released a statement, saying that he was very disappointed by the court ruling.

Time is working against Republicans who would like to do more on Schiavo’s behalf. At best, if the case goes to the U.S. Supreme Court, lawmakers might decide to file friend-of-the-court briefs on behalf of Schiavo’s parents.

Legislative provisions negotiated by Senate Democrats during the hours before Congress acted last weekend appear to have had a substantial effect on the case.

When Frist first moved to take up a bill dealing with Schiavo in the midst of a budget debate, Democrats objected. One who objected was Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), who was concerned that the legislation could have an effect on an Oregon law dealing with assisted suicide.

As a result of negotiations with Wyden, the final law included language stating that it should not be construed to give new jurisdiction to courts regarding a state’s assisted suicide law. Wyden did not object to final action, even though he opposed the bill.

Democratic aides said their members decided to allow the bill to move forward once it was changed so that it was narrowly tailored to the Schiavo case. An ABC News poll released Monday showed that 70 percent of respondents thought the congressional intervention was inappropriate.

“Just because members oppose a bill doesn’t mean they exercise every procedural option to block it,” one Senate Democratic aide said. The bill eventually passed the Senate on a voice vote, after no senator demanded a recorded vote be taken.

Meanwhile, Frist wrote Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) yesterday urging quick action on the part of the state Legislature: “The extraordinary nature of this case requires that every avenue be pursued to protect her life.”


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To: staytrue

I'd say you are
RIGHT!!!!!


161 posted on 03/23/2005 10:03:09 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Terriergal; Warlord

So the GOP actions were not lunatic ENOUGH for you? How much more absurd is this going to get?


162 posted on 03/23/2005 10:03:10 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: edeal

And in the Shiavo case, her personal liberty is being spit upon




No one has any written copy of her opinion, and if she is killed, she won't have ANY personal liberty to be spit upon because she will be dead and when your dead .... you don't have squat! Soooo don't let her be killed. KISS


163 posted on 03/23/2005 10:03:22 AM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: Peach
Yes. According to Congress and doctors on the floor of the House Sunday night, they said that thousands of times a day these decisions are made. I had not thought it was that high but will defer to their numbers.

I flatly do not believe that thousands of people a day die with the initiating and primary cause being starvation. You can believe it if you want, but I'd need a bit more evidence. The CDC must have a "starvation" column in their charts.

It's happened in our relatively small family twice. My stepdaughter works in a nursing home; it happens there nearly every week. She gets very attached to her patients and calls to tell me whose family is letting them go because they had a massive stroke or other medical conditions for which there is no hope and no one wants their family members to be kept alive on machines.

I fail to see the relevance of "being kept on machines" to the facts of this case.

164 posted on 03/23/2005 10:03:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: michigander

Oh. I see that now that I went back and reread the statute. The presence of that almighty untouchable word "abortion" right under there should have been a clue. Thanks for the clarification.


165 posted on 03/23/2005 10:04:19 AM PST by agrace
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To: blownawaybylibs

I did not mean to imply Terri wants to die.

I was strictly referring to the fact state Medicaid is paying Terri's bills, and the Judge has allowed this 'assisted suicide' (with or without Terri's permission)so, it is a STATE FUNDED ASSISTED SUICIDE.


166 posted on 03/23/2005 10:04:54 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Cboldt

The court made clear he did not need to seek their opinion in this matter. What do you think that means?


167 posted on 03/23/2005 10:05:05 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: dfwgator

There is no "bad Law" involved here just people unhappy with the result of the legal system doing its job properly.
Very reminscent of the thinking of Liberals.


168 posted on 03/23/2005 10:05:23 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: areafiftyone

Guess there'll be no autopsy--therefore, no way to determine the validity/fraudulent nature of the claims the husband has made about her condition, or of the possible causes for the bone scan revelations observed by Dr. Baden a couple of years ago.


169 posted on 03/23/2005 10:05:27 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: oceanview; Peach
that is exactly the point. I don't know a single person in my family (extended) who has been starved and dehydrated to death. Zero. they died of something else. Maybe they weren't being fed the last few days of their lives, but that's not what killed them. I don't know why its so hard to make that simple point to alot of people on these threads, I have avoided getting into arguments on these threads the last few days, but some of these claims are really irking me.

Well, Peach is standing by an assertion that thousands of people a day die with the primary initiatinge factor being the withholding of food and water. She "heard it" from the floor of Congress.

170 posted on 03/23/2005 10:05:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Hemingway's Ghost; Peach
Neither major political party gives a rat's ass about liberty.

Well, you'll get HALF your wishes because this is the end of the Republic Party because you don't give a rat's ass about life. Enjoy being ruled by the hedonist Democrat Party who cares for nothing but pursuit of happiness.
171 posted on 03/23/2005 10:06:04 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: snarkytart

I want now a legislature of a state where the death penalty is legal to allow the state to start executing criminals by starvation and dehydration. They can say hey: the New York Times says it's a painless death! Then we'll see the hypocracy of the ACLU and the other liberals at their ugliest.


172 posted on 03/23/2005 10:06:12 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Cboldt

What the House and doctors talked about what that thousands of times a day people are "let go". They are removed from machines and feeding tubes are removed. Many states, including Florida, consider feeding tubes to be life saving equipment.

And we'll just have to agree to disagree about some things, I can see. I'm heading out with my husband.


173 posted on 03/23/2005 10:06:28 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Cboldt; oceanview

Could you not put words in my mouth.

What I said I heard on the floor of the House is that thousands of people a day are taken off machines and have feeding tubes removed.


174 posted on 03/23/2005 10:07:50 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
The court made clear he did not need to seek their opinion in this matter. What do you think that means?

I don't know. You are the one that has the factual basis close to recall. I don't know what "this matter" is a reference to, nor do I know the procdural posture from which the court's comment was made.

Your comments on the point imply, to me, that you think Michael had the power to deny food and water to his wife, without leave from the court. I just found that amzaing, since if true, he could have starved her 8 years ago without the cost and trouble of a pesky court hearing.

175 posted on 03/23/2005 10:08:28 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There is no "bad Law" involved here just people unhappy with the result of the legal system doing its job properly. Very reminscent of the thinking of Liberals.

Do you think Roe v. Wade is "good law"?

176 posted on 03/23/2005 10:08:28 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Peach

Next time you are in the store ask them what they heard from Carla Iyers, the nurse.

Probablyu nothing since what would she know. Her testimony not mentioned in the "news". here affidavit not read.

But freind, she is the one that nursed her, day in, day out for some time. Don't you think her opinion would matter? The court doesn't. The "news" doesn't. And so you freinds haven't heard of her, have they?

Have you? http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player.html?032205/pol_schiavonurse_032205&FOX_Friends&FOX%20News%20Exclusive&acc&Politics&-1&wvx-300


177 posted on 03/23/2005 10:08:52 AM PST by SURI
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To: Hartranft

I agree... Senator Levin explicitedly took steps to prevent action that would have at least given her a chance while the issue is resolved in depth in the courts. He is the "pivot man" on the play that sentenced her to die before anything further could be done...

Carl Levin... Terry Sciahvo's executioner


178 posted on 03/23/2005 10:09:07 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: Peach

That is standard for these fanatics. Look at the calls for actions worthy of a dictator. They actually wish for a Generalissimo Bush yet much lesser abuses of power has them screaming to high heaven.


179 posted on 03/23/2005 10:09:12 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: frogjerk
If you had read it, you will see that I was responding to someone who was criticizing libertarians (notice small "l", Libertarians are nothing more than weed addicts who try to get Democrats elected). In the end, I said I like to err on the side of liberty and that Terry's free will is not being followed because her intent cannot be known.

We are basically taking the word of a man who is as far removed from her as one can be. He has a 9 year old child by another woman (not his wife), if i remember correctly. What bonds could he still possible have with her that qualify as a husbandly?

In any event, I believe that congress should not have HAD to do anything, but also, Congress has the right to defend the right to life. So, they can make pretty much any law they want which prevents one party from inflicting death on another without their consent.

Why can Congress regulate the labels on milk of a small dairy (which they shouldn't be able to do), but cannot act to prevent the state from committing homicide out of convenience.

So in short, you were attacking me for agreeing with you by not reading the conclusion, just a randomly selected phrase.
180 posted on 03/23/2005 10:10:03 AM PST by edeal
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