Posted on 03/22/2005 7:20:59 AM PST by Pikamax
Little known to many Westerners is a deep anti Semitism that is found amongst CCP cadres as well as many princelings, in the PRC ....
Whether Hindenberg personally hated Hitler is immaterial. He and the entire monarchist conservative right never once saw the Nazis as "socialists". They never thought the Nazis were "left wing". They were the most powerful party of the right, which is why Hindenberg allied with them. And why the Italian monarchy saw the fascisti as allies.
People who consider the fascists, "socialist", ignore where they came from. The roots of fascism were not in Marxism. They were in the elite raider units that were formed in WW1 to raid opposing trenches. In Germany they were called stormtroops and in Italy Arditi. Mussolini was an Arditi. The "socialism" of fascism was just trying to transpose "band of brother" comradeship of an elite assault unit on the nation at large.
Under fascism, the traditonal power centers of the conservative right (Big Business, the Army High Command, the aristocracy, High Society, the Italian monarchy, the traditional churches, etc) survived intact. The power centers of the left were completely destroyed. The right survived so well, that the old boy network was the base for the anti-Hitler plot.
Hitler's own spiritual orientation was apparently a mixture of the occult and Norse mythology.
Was Pastor Niemoller in trouble because he was a Christian or an anti-nazi ?
Sam is a Sham all right. Must be a leftist of some sort. What is his ilk doing on this board? DU would eat his stuff up.
RE: He and the entire monarchist conservative right never once saw the Nazis as "socialists". They never thought the Nazis were "left wing".
A big error on the parts of monarchists and true rightists. Although, mostly, I think they feared Hitler. Hitler could whip the crowd into a fury, and true rightists (such as me) view unruly crowds as a threat.
"planning on giving California, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico back to the Mexicans?"
I thought those territories were 'held' by European Monarchs. Per our Constitution, the US recognized the claim of NO Monarch on the N. American continent. The US was expanding and those places were annexed to the US. Maybe I misunderstood. I never thought of those places as sovereign 'countries' as opposed to the US and I took them to be colonies of European leaders.. sort of absentee Monarchs who could not or would not defend their colonies.
Also, the war of 1812, among other things, was fought to keep British press gangs OFF us shipping. Am I wrong there too?
He started out neutral. So what do you think?
Umm, no; Mexico had been an independent country for over 20 years prior to the Mexican-American War. Even a the time of the war, many in the US opposed the war as a war of conquest.
Per our Constitution, the US recognized the claim of NO Monarch on the N. American continent.
Good lord, do you have a muddled conception of US History. There's not word one in the Consitution about ANY such matters. You're thinking of the Monroe Doctrine but you're even sort of twisting that.
Also, the war of 1812, among other things, was fought to keep British press gangs OFF us shipping. Am I wrong there too?
That's the "official" reason and the sanitized children's textbook reason.
However, the British actually ended that practice right after we declared war (before they knew we had declared war, and we didn't get the news of it till after we'd declared war.)
And virtually all of the impressed seamen were from New England.
The vote for war was actually close; all the New England congressmen voted AGAINST going to war, even though the only people being impressed were their constituents. It was the Western states that voted for the war; they had a lot of people that wanted to conquer Canada.
In fact there was so much opposition to the War of 1812 in New England there was a meeting to discuss Secession from the US.
Doin' great.
Looking forward to the computer game.
The "socialism" of fascism was just wartime capitalism. Nothing more.
Boy, you sure can say that again ! Now that marriage is planned for next saturday, I'll have to rely on the computer game.
Did you even bother to read the info in the link??
"And everybody hates the Jews." - Tom Lehrer, National Brotherhood Week.
Of course I did.
And all of it ignored the basic fact that fascist "socialism" was never collectivist. It was a romanticization of the heroic comradeship of an elite assault unit. Like that ceremony in "Triumph of the Will" where the men say they are all from different parts of Germany but they are all as one.
Empty of content.
I notice that you are pegging people as "right" or "left" based on who they allied with and who they suppressed. Most people actually look at political policies when deciding if a person or party of "left" or "right". I will (again) help you out:
Euthanasia -- Nazi-supported/Democrats support
Gun control -- Nazi-supported/Democrats support
Government control over economy -- Nazi-supported/Democrats support
Atheists -- Nazi-supported/Democrats support
Big government welfare programs (Strength thru Joy, etc) -- Nazi-supported/Democrats support
Big publics works projects (Autobahn, etc.) -- Nazi-supported/Democrats support
Please be good enough to detail how they Conservative concept of Laissez-Faire was demonstrated by the Hitler regime.
Oh, okay.
I guess this doesn't meet the definition of collectivist:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.
13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.
14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.
15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
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