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"Newspapers are cannibalizing themselves,"

Bummer

1 posted on 03/14/2005 6:04:16 AM PST by Drango
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To: Drango

Hey pulp media - go ahead and charge - you'll only die faster. What idiots! They're already in a bind because they lie more thickly than shearling carpet and yet they arrogantly think people will pay for their tripe online. Sorry, you clowns, the circus has moved on.


2 posted on 03/14/2005 6:08:02 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Offending all people equally - pursuant to the directives of the CRA of 1964)
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Liberal papers writing in yesterday's technology wonder how they will make money to exist tomorrow selling their propaganda - to be honest - I read some of them on-line just to see what that left is crying about or to use their own words against them - but there is no way I will give them any money if they charge for it...


3 posted on 03/14/2005 6:09:45 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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I will read the New York Slimes for free on the web.

I will not read it if I have to support it with my money.

Ever.

4 posted on 03/14/2005 6:11:47 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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"Today, if you make a wrong decision, there's a chance it will be not only embarrassing, but very costly."


I remember a guy giving a speech on safety in High School. His opening line was "Have any of you had a fatal accident?"

Main Stream Press should have been in the audience.


5 posted on 03/14/2005 6:12:16 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (seeking the truth here folks.)
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Decades ago, I read the NYT seven days a week for four straight years, in order to know what was going on in the world.

I now read items from the NYT website only when pointed to them by trusted bloggers or trusted websites - and normally it's to shake my head in disgust (or laughter) at the tripe they try to pass off as unbiased reporting.


6 posted on 03/14/2005 6:13:28 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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Newspapers traditionally have supported themselves based on advertising, just as traditional radio and television have. The Reader, for example, has been a free newspaper in Chicago for decades. At the turn of the 20th Century many newspapers dramatically reduced their cost to a penny or two, because they wanted to get their circulation up without regard to revenue received from sales.

The Audit Bureau of Circulation only measures paid circulation because of the belief that those readers who pay for the publication are going to look through it and see the advertisements. Today, clickthroughs measure those who actually click on an advertisement, so a more precise measurement is possible.

If news can be published -- as it is on the internet -- without paying for ink, newsprint, deliverymen, etc., and advertisers are prepared to pay to have their advertisements published alongside the stories, with measurable readership, then everybody wins. If the advertising market develops properly, there will be no need to charge for electronic distribution.


7 posted on 03/14/2005 6:15:44 AM PST by Piranha
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I still pay for two newspapers -- The Oklahoman (conservative) and Norman Transcript (getting less liberal but good sports) -- but I will NEVER pay to read a paper on line especially the NY Times.


8 posted on 03/14/2005 6:17:19 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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There are plenty of free news sources on line.
But even if there weren't, we've the options of
listening to the pertinent news on cable and
the area news on local stations, TV/radio. WHY
do they think the majority of newshounds are
so interested in reading the paper's spin on an
issue? I already subscribe to one admitted spin
doctor; he's proven himself to be more right than
wrong on endless numbers of issues. That's
sufficient for me. The NYT, et al. can keep their
printed editions.


9 posted on 03/14/2005 6:17:36 AM PST by Grendel9
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Too many places online to get the news, another blunder by the MSM. They hate us because we know why they us. The NY Slimes reminds me of bag lady who keeps pestering me to buy something from her cart she retrieved from the dumpster.
10 posted on 03/14/2005 6:18:18 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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It's too bad no one can come up with a truth telling pulp print that has worthwhile content.

I suspect that very few on line readers will pay to read from sources that propagandize most of what they print and indoctrinate instead of inform.
12 posted on 03/14/2005 6:21:36 AM PST by Spirited (God, Bless America)
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What happens when somebody develops software to filter out advertising...?

The internet has ads? Hmmm, I guess so - with Firefox + Adblock, it's pretty easy to forget sometimes ;)

13 posted on 03/14/2005 6:22:09 AM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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Get used to the new world, NY Slimes...here is an appropriate metaphor for your ilk:


14 posted on 03/14/2005 6:22:22 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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"For some publishers, it really sticks in the craw that they are giving away their content for free," said Colby Atwood

Well, we get the Sunday paper because they pay us. How? The coupons in the paper outweigh the cost of the paper. So, the real choice is "free on line" or "paid of line". However I do willingly pay for a weekly edition of Washington Times.

15 posted on 03/14/2005 6:22:41 AM PST by Raycpa
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As a result, nearly a decade after newspapers began building and showcasing their Web sites, one of the most vexing questions in newspaper economics endures: should publishers charge for Web news, knowing that they may drive readers away and into the arms of the competition?

It must really suck to have technology break your monopoly and turn you into a candidate for chapter 11.

17 posted on 03/14/2005 6:24:17 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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The difficulty that newspapers face for charging for on-line versions is that their marginal cost per incremental on-line subscriber approaches zero.

Nearly all the costs are incurred upfront, before anyone actually reads the paper on-line. The cost of "printing" one more copy is nearly zero, the cost of "delivering to the door" one more copy is nearly zero.

This means that the attempt to charge for content will always be subject to the most severe price competition. For general circulation papers, only folks who develop an economic model that doesn't rely on subscriptions will win.

Furthermore, because the on-line versions are eating into the paid hard copy subscription base, eventually, only general circulation newspapers that develop a free hard copy circulation model along with a free Internet model will really thrive in the future.

In the Washington, DC area, we've already seen the first fully subscription-free general circulation newspaper, the DC Examiner. It is entirely dependent on advertising. Circulated free to about 210,000 households, with another 50,000 copies given away through street boxes, if this paper catches on, say buh-bye to the Washington Post.


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19 posted on 03/14/2005 6:31:29 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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So the MSM can't come up with a sustainable revenue model to sell their lies online?

What does this say about them-- and their desired audience?

Maybe 'the unwashed masses' are too smart for them afterall?


21 posted on 03/14/2005 6:36:58 AM PST by IncPen ( The Problem with Communism (liberalism) is that people like to own stuff - Frank Zappa)
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Compared to FreeRepublic, which has content from almost EVERY news source,
PLUS personal insights you won't find anywhere else,
PLUS humor, friendship, comradery, and good editorial photo-shopped images...

AND I get to choose how much to pay and how often (I contributed little for my first year or so, then pledged about $20 for a few FReepathons, was a dollar-a-day FReeper for over a year, and now throw in what I can when I can)...

Yeah, with that available, I'm sure everyone will opt for a flat charge of $79 per year for flat news with an idiotic slant and little actual content (how many times have you said to yourself, "Why doesn't this story answer more questions than it leaves open?" wfater reading a news story... and how many times after reading an FR thread?!?)

FR should be the future look of all news outlets.

23 posted on 03/14/2005 6:40:11 AM PST by Teacher317
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problems i've noticed:

1. the composite readers' interest of national and international papers is higher than the interest of one paper. this is to say you have more to chose from on the internet than if you subscribe to one newspaper.

in contrast, your hometown paper looks boring. and, in many cases, it is boring because gannett and their ilk bought out many medium-sized city papers dumping the same junk in all of them.

2. but i could never afford to subscribe to all of the national and international papers that i take a look at.

3. there's been a general decline in most newspapers with the exception of the wall street journal and ibd. the decline owes to the boomer journalists' decisions in the early 1970s to abandon "objectivity" for personal opinion and fantasy.

don hewitt of 60 minutes actually said something to this effect. the "logic" of this follows: "everyone is biased, so i have a right as a journalist to publish my biases". the only problem is, most journalists issue from university j-schools which abandoned math, science, history, latin, greek, or economics for the fashionable "critical studies".

4. this is because feminists and "progressives" control most newspapers in the states. they gained their radicalism from their university educations which the vast majority of americans do not share.

to test #4--try to get most newspapers to publish anything that contradicts radical feminism and you'll see that it will not get published. is there a dr. laura schlesinger column in your local paper? rush limbaugh? nada.

in sum, until newspapers democratize and include the actual "diversity" of public opinion, and abandon their elitism, they'll continue to decline.


24 posted on 03/14/2005 6:42:40 AM PST by ken21 ( today's luxury development. tomorrow's slum.)
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Make my day, Sulzberger.

I can't wait to flush what remains of your paper out of my system.

26 posted on 03/14/2005 6:50:25 AM PST by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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I read left, right and middle and some that are far out
that I don't know if they are up or down.

Point is I will not ...will not pay again for propaganda
no matter which side it comes from.

The other side of the print media is of course no print
media. Whoow! What a concept.

Sell advertising or close the doors.
27 posted on 03/14/2005 6:51:40 AM PST by cleo1939
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