Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado
In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)
And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:
"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.
Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''
Sounds good so far.
But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.
This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.
Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?
I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'
In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.
This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.
So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.
The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.
Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.
The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
Palestinians with children just don't want to see billboards with Sara Jessica Parker with her tits hanging out. And neither do I want to expose my children to such.
This is the real "foreign" policy that creates haters of America. We export our filth through TV and Hollywood. The left is guilty of giving us a bad image throughout the world. The vast majority of America does not resemble the disfunctional families portrayed by Hollywood.
Looks like this thread caught fire last bight right after I left. :o(
Fred: And there you have it folks, it's nothing to do with islam at all, it's all just criminal activity.
LOL!! care to comment Jorge?
Jorge, did you read what I wrote earlier in post#170:
Do defenders of Islam not understand a few basic things... that islam is an intolerant ideology, or that sharia is a political system and a cornerstone of Islam... or that a Muslim is supposed to emulate the examples of Muhammed.... do they want to get into it and compare the examples of Muhammed... his wars, genocide, slavery and pedophilia with someone like Jesus?
Do you not know that some suras are abrogated, that later intolerant versus of the Quran replaced earlier more peaceful ones.... or that islam sells the belief that the quran is to be viewed differently than how Christians view the bible... that the entire Quran is the exact words of Allah as revealed to the head pedophile and is to be followed to the letter, and the hadeeths and sunna are examples for Muslims to follow... or that any innovations away from the purist line is considered biddah?
BTW, this comes from someone who has lived as a Dhimmi expat, whos seen, lived and dealt with Islamic bigotry (for all those who love that word) up close.
Jorge, I also want to ask you:
1. If you read the Quran, and read some of the hadeeths?
2. Do you know that the examples of the life of Muhammed in the Sunna/hadeeths are something Muslims are supposed to emulate?
3. Are you suggesting that the actions of terrorists have nothing to do with Islam?
Yours is a powerful and brutually honest testimony, TC. I love how you cut through the bs and eschew any political correctness.
The truth will set you free and the bitter truth in your words shines like a beacon to those who don't blind themselves to it for fear of that overused hackneyed word designed to spread fear, "bigot". What we face here today goes so far beyond anything so elemental and primitive as bigotry.
We are talking about the survival of the non-islamic peoples, and the survival of this relatively young experiment in democracy called America.
Both are under attack, both are at risk.
I know you will never falter, never surrender. God is with you, TC.
Nice going TC.
Islam is an extremist ideology!
How does one allow them the freedom to practice the whole of their "religion," if they believe in some of the core values, sharia being a cornerstone, gender apartheid, religious apartheid,or Mohammed an an example to emulate?
Do you Jorge, understand that Islam is an all encompassing way of life, that dictates to its followers everything they do from the moment they wake up the the moment they go to sleep? That its also a political system?
Show me the post you liar.
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Just finishing reading the thread from last night. Sounds like you weren't having much fun at this point, despite your exhortation to others to have fun debating on FR and to lighten up. Looks like you were about to burst a blood vessel at this point!
I managed to make some good "Muslim" friends tho... some whom I could trust my life with. These folks were in wealthy, influential local families and were Muslims in name only though. They were not "true believers"... they ate pork (in font of me, but not other Muslims), drank alcohol, didn't care for fasting during ramadan etc, and went thru some of the islamic observances for public consumption only.
They called themselves Muslim just to keep their positions, and not embarrass their families... the social pressures out there were just too great. For an idea of some of the things they have to deal with to get out of the insane cult, it's worth reading "Leaving Islam," by Ibn Warraq.
I had friends that also worked with a Church that helped Muslims out there leave Islam and convert and I can tell you that the locals who did, had it hard, and could have been arrested by the local religious police and thrown into jail. Foreigners would be deported is caught... (we had too many connections to spend any time in jail.)
When I went sightseeing down to the Arab section after work to have a beer (muzzies don't drink? Think again!),
You reminded me of some of the official functions I attended in Malaysia. They would have huge banquet halls for everyone, and then a large private room for the top brass... in the public halls, there was no alcohol served, but in the private room, everyone had several glasses set out for them and every kind of alcohol under the sun served to them.
I could name several well known Malaysian government ministers as well as diplomats who I have seen drinking, both at their own functions and at Embassy parties, but I wont get into that on a public forum...
If you want to see real Islam, its intolerance and backwardness in the so-called "moderate" islamic country, the sharia ruled east coat is the place to be.. its a mini Saudi Arabia.
They actually used democracy and voted sharia in (political parties like PAS who still have a strong presence there, especially in the east) scaring the hell out of non-muslims, and thus undermining and virtually destroying the very democratic process that got them into power in the first place. It shows how they will happily use democracy as a tool simply to achieve their end goal.
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>> Does that mean I have to agree with the extremists here who think we should ban religious freedom in America for those we don't like? <<
By not fighting this evil, you are helping it to spread. I'm done with you.
I lived outside of NYC in September 2001. Every weekend I could hear the bagpipes at the funerals of the fireman, weekend after weekend, it seemed endless. Every fall since that year I always seem to hear them again, playing Amazing Grace over and over.
If I live to be 100, the beauty of autumn will be forever linked with that sound.
That is just one legacy of the islamic attack on America, and it is minor compared to other sights, smells, and sounds that we New Yorkers (and, indeed all Americans) encountered. Yet it is one that continues to haunt.
Jorge, this is not a religion we are talking about, let's not be fooled about that. It is a cult and there is no freedom of cult in our constitution. We are not bound by our laws to allow a bloodthirsty cult to thrive especially since its tenets openly seek the death of our people and the destruction of our system of laws and government.
I've seen all but a stoning. While I have no problem for capital punishment in case of murder. The beheading I saw was for being a proponent of Christianity.
Plain and simple.......Islam is incompatible with western democracy.
Ari, he wasn't even willing to read what he was posting.
He first claims that he agrees that islam is a phony religion--then in the next breath says it's covered by Freedom of Religion. His own posts contradict what he says earlier.
As for the Freedom, no where does the contitution allow for a religion of group, etc., to endanger the welfare of the people of this country. He needs to read the Constitution--as he would learn a good bit.
It's clear to me that Jorge is nothing more than an apologist for the TROP.
This is an excellent article. I can guarantee you that OSB knew abouth this "fake" fatwah before it was even issued. Any renegade Imam that dared issue such a fatwah against OSB and Al Queda would be signing his own death warrant.
We had a Lebanese secretary working at our office in Dubai.
She was Westernized with Western clothes, make-up and hair style. Houri was both beautiful and intelligent.
She and her husband were Muslims in name only.
This was in my wild and wooley days, and one day I came to work in a shirt that was one of my less dirty ones and badly wrinkled from being wadded in the bottom of my closet.
She took one look at it and said, "A manager cannot wear a shirt like that! At lunch time we'll go to my house, and I'll iron it."
By the time lunch time rolled around, and I went in to get her to take her home, I sensed that she knew she had made a mistake. The fear was in her eyes, but she didn't accept my offer to forget it.
She lived in a solid Muslim neighborhood where all the women wore burkas and Muslim dress. As we went into her apartment she made a point of telling the women who passed that I was her boss, and she was going to iron my shirt.
I sat on the couch while she worked and tried to converse, but her ears were tuned to outside. Her fear became almost palpable, and, by the time she was finished, her hands were shaking badly.
We almost ran out of her apartment like we had been doing something very wrong.
I left the UAE about six months after that, and she was still safe. I've often wondered if they put a bullet in her head as soon as I was gone.
I believe in capital punishment, also, but I never enjoyed the idea of it. I hate the fact that it's necessary.
I'm glad I wasn't there, ari.
My eyes would have been swollen shut every weekend.
Well, yes they do, in large numbers: 300,000+ Christians in Nagaland, 250,000+ Sikhs, 90,000+ Kashmiri Muslims, thousanmds of Christians and Muslims elsewhere in the country, and tens of thousands of Assamese, Bodos, Dalits ("Untouchables," the aboriginal people of South Asia), Manipuris, Tamils, and others.
In 1994, the U.S. State Department reported that India had paid over 41,000 cash bounties to police for killing Sikhs. One such bounty was paid for killing a three-year-old boy, who was subsequently labelled a "terrorist."
You and I agree on this, but to hold an entire religion responsible for this is wrong. Many Muslims hav ebeen as opposed to the terrorism as you and I are. Muslims in Spain even issued a fatwa against Osama bin Laden.
They are the ONLY ones who do this these days.
No they aren't. The Hinducrats do it in India. Other people whose affiliation is to other religious groups (however tenuous) do it around the world.
Well, your research wasn't good enough. It's NOT Islam, it's Islamism
But I'll give it a shot--no, most muslims don't engage in terrorism. But how many condemn those who do?
There have been some condemnations, including a recent fatwa against bin Laden, which I hope is carried out successfully. There have not been enough of them, I'll grant you, but the ones that have been issued do not get much attention from the media, because the media wants to portray our current efforts as a war against Muslims rather than a war against terrorists. If we show Muslims condemning the terrorists, that makes it clearly focused as a war on terror (which it si, of course), not a war on Islam. Once again, the media is serving its ideologyu before the facts.
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