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Opinion: Apple -- Here to Stay
MacCentral ^ | March 08, 2005 | Don Tennant

Posted on 03/08/2005 12:06:04 PM PST by r5boston

Nearly a decade ago, just a few months after Microsoft shipped Windows 95, I asked Bill Gates if it was a conscious decision in the development of that product to give Windows more of a Mac look and feel. Of course I knew he'd say it wasn't, but I couldn't resist asking. "There was no goal even to compete with Macintosh," Gates proclaimed. "We don't even think of Macintosh as a competitor."

That was a crock, so I pressed the issue a little. I asked him how he accounted for the widespread perception that Windows 95 looked a lot like Mac 88, and whether the similarity was just a coincidence. I didn't expect a sobbing confession of mimicry, but I thought it would be cool to see how he'd respond. Surprisingly enough, Gates shifted gears and became more forthcoming.

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To: sittnick
In our case, it would have to be MAS 200 because of the headache in redoing so much just to change products. But I notice you didn't even mention by name a single one of the many packages available for the MacOS. At a minimum, the product should be cross-platform.

I looked at MAS 200, and find it interesting that they tout platform flexibility -- if you're on Windows. But off the top of my head I know MYOB and Quickbooks for OS X, and OSAS is available for pretty much all Windows and *NIX platforms (including OS X).

161 posted on 03/08/2005 9:17:13 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000

Who poured the vinegar into your breakfast cereal?


162 posted on 03/08/2005 9:21:00 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: Bush2000
You said to HAL9000: Said the Apple shill.

Still the Windows shill.

163 posted on 03/08/2005 9:23:33 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Cat loving Texan
Nailed it again. The Mac clan behaves like a religeon.

Pure, unadulterated Texas Catsh*t.

You look up and down this thread and the only people throwing rocks at other computers and their users are you and Bush2000. Typical PC users with serious envy issues.

You might want to check the mote in thine own eye.

164 posted on 03/08/2005 9:26:01 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: Bush2000
If you're trying to sell the snakeoil that administering Linux servers isn't labor-intensive, you're lying. You know it. I know it.

Yet qualified Linux admins don't seem to know it. I mean, how can Largo service 400 machines and 800 accounts with an admittedly underworked staff of 6 (including the IT director)? The only thing that really takes their time is the few Windows machines still there.

That's a huge issue for most people.

But lack of software functionality isn't a TCO issue. You can't even compare TCO if one can't do the job specified.

Certainly not on desktops. Servers are a completely different market -- which we weren't even discussing.

You're there as soon as you start talking about administration, since if you're in a business, you'll have a server, and you'll have to buy the seat licenses for it. Windows is $3000+ for 25 seats, while OS X is unlimited at $1,000 (cheaper if you get it with the hardware). But if you want to go there, managing a Mac network of clients is also brain-dead easy.

and the issue of legacy apps is a non-issue

Tell that to someone with a large ASP web site or a MS SQL Server farm.

165 posted on 03/08/2005 9:26:16 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: 1L
As someone who liked the taskbar, 95 and descendants was light years ahead of Mac.

I still don't like the taskbar much, and Apple copying it (although vastly improving it) for OS X as the Dock is one of the major usability problems with OS X. It may be pretty, but usability experts suggest ditching it for something more functional.

The Windows UI blows it on a much more fundamental level, with things such as the menu bar locations changing between apps, it not being in an optimal place to click, bad guidelines for dialog boxes, etc., and the ultra-rediculous "Why to I click Start to shut down?"

Apple did a better job tying the interface to the OS than Microsoft did (which really didn't happen until 95)

You just stated it: Windows 95 = Mac 88.

166 posted on 03/08/2005 9:32:22 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Fishrrman
Why not relegate the PC to a dedicated gaming platform, and pick up a Mac to do the rest?

There's an old addage:

Mac is for work.
Linux is for networking.
Windows is for Solitaire

But now that Mac is UNIX you can probably give it the networking job too.

167 posted on 03/08/2005 9:35:58 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
No wonder. IBM didn't hold a stranglehold on the hardware.

Actually, IBM tried that, but Compaq reverse-engineered it.

168 posted on 03/08/2005 9:38:34 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
LMFAO! Oh, yeahhhh ... that makes sense. Use the demo model in the store that's been dropped and handled by hundreds of people -- and barely has any battery left. Nice

He's right. None of them have as good an interface as the iPod, you can't select your songs or playlists as quickly, and none have such ergonomic controls. Others may beat the iPod on price, capacity, or the addition of a radio or such, but none are as high quality and easy to use.

169 posted on 03/08/2005 9:40:40 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Last Visible Dog
the overwhelming majority of computer users don't even consider the Mac a viable computer.

Mainly because they go with what they know, or what their friends know. Apparently a significant percentage of PC-owning iPod buyers are showing interest in the Mac since being introduced to the Apple brand. Unfortunately, Mac prices were too high for a casual switch -- thus the Mac mini is born.

170 posted on 03/08/2005 9:48:46 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000

Which part is false? That apple sells a pc for $499 or that they are selling well?


171 posted on 03/08/2005 10:02:47 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Bush2000
Not just less. Several orders of magnitude less.

Again hyperbole... you don't know what "orders of magnitude" means. In actual fact, technically, the earnings of both companies are in the SAME order of magnitude: 109 dollars.

Microsoft Corp. today announced revenue of $9.19 billion for the quarter ended September 30, 2004.

Apple® today announced financial results for its fiscal 2004 fourth quarter ended September 25, 2004. . . . Revenue for the quarter was $2.35 billion.

Apple, a much smaller company than Microsoft, had earnings about 1/4 of those of its larger rival.

172 posted on 03/08/2005 10:05:04 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Bush2000

Wow back from a ban and picking fights already..


173 posted on 03/08/2005 10:07:48 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: pageonetoo
He was sued successfully by Apple, for copyright infringement and subsequently bought 20% of Apple.

I have to disagree with your history report. Apple eventually lost that suit because of a technically ignorant judge. The Microsoft investment in Apple was at the time a little over 4% of the value of the outstanding Apple stock. The stock purchased was non-voting. At no time did Microsoft own "20%" of Apple.

Oh, Xerox licensed its GUI ideas to Apple. Some still think they were "stolen."

174 posted on 03/08/2005 10:11:22 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: 1L
As someone who liked the taskbar, 95 and descendants was light years ahead of Mac.

What did the task bar do that wasn't already done on the Apple Mac menu bar? Show running apps? Covered. Advise you of modem connection status? covered? Provide quick links to specific programs? covered. Provide a clock and calendar? yup, covered.

You like the task bar approach... others perfer the menu bar. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

175 posted on 03/08/2005 10:21:29 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Mr. K
You might note a few things. The total cost of ownership for the Mac has always been lower than that of the PC. You could traditionally run the latest and greatest software on a Mac 5+ years old. Never could do that with a PC (generally, 3 years max - if you were lucky). Until Linux came along, a PC's life span was considered to be no more than three years.

If you are comparing costs, it is only fair to compare PCs that have comparable quality to Apples. IOW, comparing the costs of Macs to Dells or Gateways is ia bit like comparing the costs of a Pantera to a yugo.

But if initial costs is all you can see (a very short-sighted notion indeed), then you might note that you can get a brand new Mac for under $500.00.

Your concern over programming the Mac is misplaced. Applications programming has traditionally been third party in the Mac world (unlike in the PC world). The Mac is very user-friendly to program compared to the PC (I've done both. VB is a bloated and ill-designed dinosaur as compared to MetroWerks - although Borland has some excellent development environments for the PC).

The PC software is far more proprietary than the Mac. This is because the market share of apps for MS on the PC is 90%+. On the Mac, MS only has a 25% share. The odds of financial success are much greater for a developer on the Mac than on the PC. Customer support is much less on Mac than PC.

Developing and marketing apps in the Mac market is a much friendlier exercise for one or two developers than in the PC market.

And lastly, far more companies developing solely for the PC go under than those developing solely for the Mac.
176 posted on 03/08/2005 10:34:31 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: agooga; Bush2000

you have to understand he just got back from a ban, he loves to stir up crap on these tech threads by using the language you saw..


177 posted on 03/08/2005 10:34:47 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Last Visible Dog
The comment about USB is WRONG! Windows has supported USB since 1998. Apple added USB support for the Mac in 2000.

Bush2000 is WRONG AGAIN!

Apple iMac Bondi Blue - Introduction Date: May 6, 1998

The iMac was criticized by industry pundits because it dropped SCSI, Apple Desk Top Bus (ADB) and the standard Apple Serial ports in favor of universal USB. The only other access ports were Audio, Ethernet and Modem.

178 posted on 03/08/2005 10:42:25 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Huh in 1998 the blue and white all in one Mac had USB, and in 1999 the G3 blue and white tower had usb and firewire. My mother picked up the blue and white tower in 1999 and just replaced it with an imac.

When my wife (then friend) got an ipod in late 2002 we were amazed that it pluged right into my mothers computer with no problems.

179 posted on 03/08/2005 10:49:10 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Last Visible Dog
The comment about USB is WRONG! Windows has supported USB since 1998. Apple added USB support for the Mac in 2000.

Oh, in addition, while Windows did offer limited USB support in the last two upgrades of Windows95, they admitted that USB was severely limited and prone to problems. According to Microsoft, USB support was only fully implemented in Windows 98... Released on June 25, 1998... but that it still had problems cooperating with other ports. USB was finally "completely" implemented only in Windows 98 SE released sometime after April of 1999.

Contrast this with a fully functional USB implementation in all new Macs as of May 6, 1998.

180 posted on 03/08/2005 10:58:32 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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