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Opinion: Apple -- Here to Stay
MacCentral ^ | March 08, 2005 | Don Tennant

Posted on 03/08/2005 12:06:04 PM PST by r5boston

Nearly a decade ago, just a few months after Microsoft shipped Windows 95, I asked Bill Gates if it was a conscious decision in the development of that product to give Windows more of a Mac look and feel. Of course I knew he'd say it wasn't, but I couldn't resist asking. "There was no goal even to compete with Macintosh," Gates proclaimed. "We don't even think of Macintosh as a competitor."

That was a crock, so I pressed the issue a little. I asked him how he accounted for the widespread perception that Windows 95 looked a lot like Mac 88, and whether the similarity was just a coincidence. I didn't expect a sobbing confession of mimicry, but I thought it would be cool to see how he'd respond. Surprisingly enough, Gates shifted gears and became more forthcoming.

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To: agooga

He's a Microsoft shill...

maybe he's friends with Bill Gates himself? He claims to have "friends" that work at Microsoft....hes just trying to protect his market share and all....


121 posted on 03/08/2005 4:15:37 PM PST by MikefromOhio (The DUmmies: Showing us daily how screwed up people can really be!!!!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

LOL



Mindful of Microsoft, Justice Department buys from Corel

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department, which challenged Microsoft Corp. in courtrooms for nearly a decade over antitrust violations, will pay more than $2 million each year to buy business software from Corel Corp., a leading Microsoft rival.

The new purchase agreement, announced Monday, makes the latest version of Corel's WordPerfect Office software available to more than 50,000 lawyers and other Justice employees.

That includes the department's antitrust division, which successfully sued Microsoft over illegal efforts to dominate the software industry but negotiated a settlement later to end the company's court appeals.

The deal, worth up $13.2 million over five years for Ontario-based Corel, illustrates that Microsoft, the world's largest software company, still faces pockets of intense competition in the industry it dominates. It also represents a high-profile sale for Corel among lawyers, where it traditionally has enjoyed a loyal following.

``It's a big win for them,'' said Joe Wilcox, a software analyst for Jupiter Media. ``The Justice Department is kind of a showcase agency.''

Corel's chief executive, Amish Mehta, said the software sale was among the company's largest worldwide. Corel is initially charging the government $40 per copy to upgrade from an earlier WordPerfect version to its newest software, the government said.

Privately held Corel does not disclose sales figures. Microsoft sold $2.8 billion worth of its Office software programs in the final three months of 2004.

The Justice Department will make WordPerfect software available to more than 20 organizations inside the agency, but not the FBI or Drug Enforcement Administration, which use Microsoft's Office business software exclusively, said Mary Aileen O'Donovan, a program manager in the Justice Management Division.

She said when the department considered its purchase, it was acutely aware of its courtroom struggles against Microsoft. Until last month, Justice employees used rival Web browsing software from the former Netscape Communications Corp., O'Donovan said.

``We picked the underdog,'' she said.

O'Donovan said U.S. courts require all electronic filings to be submitted as WordPerfect documents, and Justice has thousands of programmed shortcuts designed to work with WordPerfect.

Still, the department hardly rejects all Microsoft products. It also buys the company's Office software -- for roughly $150 per copy -- and pays more for its Windows operating system, O'Donovan said.

She said Justice also is urging employees to switch to Microsoft's Internet Explorer Web browser, which was the subject of the government's antitrust case.


122 posted on 03/08/2005 5:09:17 PM PST by Petronski (This is the Serengeti, heart of the Dark Continent, where Bar Codes roam free...)
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To: Melas
Disagree
123 posted on 03/08/2005 5:41:40 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000

Sorry, I went from store to store with a pair of Bose Triport headphones and tried most of the microdrive Mp3 players available. The Zen and Zen Micro just didn't have the audio quality of the Ipod. The Zen Micro was the worst, it was barely able to drive the headphones.


124 posted on 03/08/2005 5:47:31 PM PST by Melas
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To: Fishrrman

Why not relegate the PC to a dedicated gaming platform, and pick up a Mac to do the rest?

I've actually considered doing exactly that.

125 posted on 03/08/2005 5:49:21 PM PST by Melas
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To: pageonetoo
Two guys built a desktop computer in a garage. IBM needed to compete with two guys in a garage.

And IBM did so with off-the-shelf parts.

IBM found Paul Allen and Bill Gates ready to take their money for a disk operating system, which neither wrote.

Yeah, they paid $50K for it and turned around and made billions. That has to be among the smartest business decisions in history.

IBM had a very open door with the government. Surprisingly, the Gum't decided to do business with IBM, for desktop computers, rather than two guys in a garage.

No wonder. IBM didn't hold a stranglehold on the hardware. It was all COTS stuff. Which led the way for cloners to introduce their own machines. It was a damn smart decision by the feds. Kept their costs lower than Jobs and Woz could offer.

IBM offered WordPerpect and uniformity. Of course, if you wanted to do bizness with the gum't, you gotta pay IBM... and Bill Gates.

Jobs tried to get into the business market -- but failed miserably and ended up focusing on the "education market".

Bill Gates wanted a graphic interface. Bill Gates couldn't make his Windows emulation, of the Mac interface, work, so he copied Apple's copy of Xerox's graphic interface. He was sued successfully by Apple, for copyright infringement and subsequently bought 20% of Apple.

This is just wrong. Apple didn't prevail on the copyright infringement issue. In fact, the court found for Microsoft. But Microsoft and Apple realized that there were enough cross-licensing problems with the GUIs that it made more sense to settle.

I have a stable operating system, on a G5 desktop, a G4 desktop, a g4 PowerBook, and a G3 PowerBook (circa 1999). I use a wireless system, and a wireless Airport Extreme system for nework and interent use.

Congratulations. So do millions upon millions of Windows XP users...

Apple Computers costs more, so friggin' what. It sure gives you a lot more than the Gates-worshipping community seems to get. At least it works right out of the box, and you only need know how to plug it in...

You're comparing apples and oranges. If you pay more, you would expect to get more. Duh.

I had a home network, using the Appletalk system, back in the 80's, when most PC folk were still worshipping IBM, and looking a a gren or amber screen with C > staring at them waitng for the magic words. I used my mouse...

Meanwhile, Novell was busy kicking Apple's ass in the network market.
126 posted on 03/08/2005 5:51:40 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Melas
Sorry, I went from store to store with a pair of Bose Triport headphones and tried most of the microdrive Mp3 players available. The Zen and Zen Micro just didn't have the audio quality of the Ipod. The Zen Micro was the worst, it was barely able to drive the headphones.

LMFAO! Oh, yeahhhh ... that makes sense. Use the demo model in the store that's been dropped and handled by hundreds of people -- and barely has any battery left. Nice ... /SARCASM
127 posted on 03/08/2005 5:53:05 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: antiRepublicrat
For you, maybe. You see, you have to know how to administer the system in order to be able to do it effectively. We were effortlessly administering computer labs with Linux servers back in '98, when Linux wasn't even mature yet.

If you're trying to sell the snakeoil that administering Linux servers isn't labor-intensive, you're lying. You know it. I know it.

How can you even think that with a straight face?

Because it's true.

If there's a lack of applications for a purpose, then there isn't even a TCO argument since only one system will do the job.

That's a huge issue for most people. It's holding back millions upon millions of people from upgrading. Who the hell wants to buy brand new software when the existing stuff works perfectly well from OS release to release? Not me.

But as far as adminsitering Mac desktops and servers, you will save a whole lot of money.

Certainly not on desktops. Servers are a completely different market -- which we weren't even discussing. They don't require a GUI, they primarily serve up networked apps, and the issue of legacy apps is a non-issue. Apples and oranges.
128 posted on 03/08/2005 5:57:35 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000

> Macs are overpriced boutique toys.

A UNIX-based operating system with a superior UI running on superior hardware... a toy?

Typical Microsoft robot. You probably haven't used a Mac since 1985.


129 posted on 03/08/2005 5:58:14 PM PST by gonewt
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To: Petronski
``We picked the underdog,'' she said.

Your tax dollars at work. They picked the lower quality solution on principle. What else could we expect from a bunch of G-dash civil servants?!?
130 posted on 03/08/2005 5:59:56 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: gonewt
A UNIX-based operating system with a superior UI running on superior hardware... a toy?

"Ooooooooooh, it's a Unix system..." which has 2% market share. It's a toy.
131 posted on 03/08/2005 6:02:52 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: antiRepublicrat
Anyone could always program a Mac, since it's the hardware that's proprietary. Although now days most of the stuff in the box (memory, hard drives, etc.) is standard PC hardware, and Apple was the first to push universal connectors like USB and Firewire.

The comment about USB is WRONG! Windows has supported USB since 1998. Apple added USB support for the Mac in 2000.

132 posted on 03/08/2005 6:04:58 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Bush2000

I didn't even know WordPerfect was still being made. LOL They were so proud of their blue-screen interface, they never bothered to evolve into a gui, until it was too late.

Meanwhile, the DOJ can't seem to distinguish antitrust issues in the OS from the business apps. Instead, they burp a "Microsoft bad" and buy an inferior product.


Ugh.


133 posted on 03/08/2005 6:05:59 PM PST by Petronski (This is the Serengeti, heart of the Dark Continent, where Bar Codes roam free...)
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To: HAL9000
That's not correct. The newest Macs cost $499, and they're selling fast.

The 500 dollar toy that will not work out of the box (you need to buy a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and a clue).

Apple sells lots of product yet there market share has remained at 3% over the last 10 years. Mac-Heads buy a lot of computers.

134 posted on 03/08/2005 6:07:58 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: bikepacker67
Not only that... their trying to ban them from their new operating system (Longhorn)

Did you actually read your link? These devices can be used to take data off of computers:

"MICROSOFT is working on technology that will give companies more control over whether to prohibit devices that can easily be used to transfer data to and from personal computers."

The technology is due to appear in next version of Windows, dubbed Longhorn, due out in 2006. As devices including Apple's popular iPods become capable of holding more data, some worry that people could use them to steal data or unleash virus attacks on business networks.

No, Microsoft is not banning anything - more MacReactionary nonsense

135 posted on 03/08/2005 6:12:19 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Bush2000

None of them were running off batteries. Is there some reason to believe that the Creative players were subjected to more abuse than the Ipods on display?


136 posted on 03/08/2005 6:13:31 PM PST by Melas
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To: HAL9000

Did you notice the consistent smug vitriol aimed at Mac users by the PC side? I sure have. It's similar to the way conservatives relate to the Rats... we say: "You have beliefs we don't happen to share. Whatever..." - they say: "How DARE YOU! We hate you! You're IDIOTS!" ... well, the Mac users say: "We like Macs! They're great. You like PCs? Oh." -- and the PC users rant: "How DARE YOU! We hate you! You're IDIOTS!"...

See? Same thing. All PC users are Rats in disguise :-P.

:-)


137 posted on 03/08/2005 6:17:29 PM PST by Pravious
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To: zoomie2
Mine is a P4 with a mega-gig HDD

mega=1,000,000

mega-gig = 1,000,000 gigabyte

You can buy a 1 terabyte drive for around $1,000 but that is only 1,024 gigabytes

You would have to buy 977 terabyte drives to get your mega-gig.

(pendant rant warning)

138 posted on 03/08/2005 6:20:52 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: r5boston

I guess Mac true believers need something to keep their spirits up -- what with having only about an eighth of the market share Microsoft commands, and all...


139 posted on 03/08/2005 6:21:01 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: MikeinIraq
Apple is good. Microsoft is the one on the ropes right now. with Linux coming on and with Apple (which is a UNIX base anyway) still taking a quarter to a third of the market alone, Microsoft is feeling the squeeze....

Mac-Heads seem to have the best weed.

Apple may have had a third of the market...in 1979

Apple is not even remotely close to having a quarter or a third of the market. Apple has 3% of the market.

Mac's holds 3% of the market (it has been unchanged for nearly 10 years). The linux market share is even less than Apple's.

140 posted on 03/08/2005 6:35:49 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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