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Sen. George Allen for President?
NewsMax ^ | 3/7/05 | Kathleen Antrim

Posted on 03/07/2005 6:12:22 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: Corin Stormhands

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


101 posted on 03/08/2005 10:39:23 AM PST by Gabz (Wanna join my tag team?)
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To: Antoninus
GW Bush isn't "Elvis"--he's not a great debater and only passable as an orator.

Actually, he is. He has a great deal of charisma in casual encounters and it comes across in the media. He also has the name of another President, and that helped a lot.

If George Allen starts showing up on talking head shows and being charming, and maybe changes his name to "Ike" he might be electable, otherwise he's gonna be another Bob Dole.

So9

102 posted on 03/08/2005 10:39:26 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Coop

Agreed. Senator Allen would be a great choice. Even the Democrats here (in Virginia) respected him.

IMHO, any Senator who's been in Washington long enough to become a household name should already be disqualified for consideration. The Beltway corrupts a person and distorts their views. They lose touch with reality. Presidents need to come from outside the Beltway, not from within.

Greg


103 posted on 03/08/2005 10:40:42 AM PST by gregwest
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To: GraceCoolidge
Given his age at the time he did this, and his life since, I think people might judge differently. I think these issues about him are well known so it's not clear to me the effect on his candidacy.

A youthful indiscretion like that can surely be forgiven, particularly in light of what he's done with his life since. In fact, I think it helps him, especially if he's out front about it now. J.C. is a good man. I'd like to see him as Allen's Veep and heir-apparent.
104 posted on 03/08/2005 10:43:21 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Antoninus
That's the trouble, isn't it? It's not easy to win without the mushy middle. But it's IMPOSSIBLE to win without a solid conservative base.

The trick is to keep the base solid while appealing to the middle. GW Bush was able to do that. Condi Rice, or McCain, or Giuliani wouldn't have a prayer. They'd split the base from top to bottom.

Do you really think the base will prefer Hillary?
Or see no difference?
With any of those people every conservative can find at least one important issue on which they are far better than Hillary, and that's enough reason to vote.

The base is only important if it can keep you from getting the nomination.

So9

105 posted on 03/08/2005 10:44:59 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Servant of the 9
It would cause you to vote for Hillary?

Nope.

Or to sit out the election because there is not one other issue you care anything about?

Depends who the candidate is. I certainly wouldn't work as hard to help a pro-abort RINO semi-socialist defeat a pro-abort socialist Democrat. What's the bloody point?

Some issues are above party. If the GOP goes pro-abort at the top of the ticket, count me out. There's already a pro-abortion party in this country and I've never voted for them.
106 posted on 03/08/2005 10:48:44 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Servant of the 9
Do you really think the base will prefer Hillary? Or see no difference?

The base needs a reason to come out and vote. Hillary, despised though she may be, is not enough of a reason if the GOP puts a crypto-socialist, pro-abortion RINO against her. That's what she's banking on and that's why the old media has been so active pushing such candidates to the fore.

The base is only important if it can keep you from getting the nomination.

Ask George H. W. Bush that question....
107 posted on 03/08/2005 10:54:17 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: wagglebee
During their talk, they shared some Virginia peanuts, after al-Jaafari politely asked the senator to taste a few first. Yes, Iraq is a dangerous place and Iraq's future leaders obviously can't be too careful.

Thank God al-Jaafari didn't turn out to have a latent peanut allergy, or things could have taken an ugly turn...
108 posted on 03/08/2005 11:00:17 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: wagglebee

Allen/Rice, Allen/Owens, Allen/Santorum, all three sound great to me.


109 posted on 03/08/2005 11:00:30 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Servant of the 9

Why doesn't your list include Jeb Bush? Imagine how many people would vote for him because they think he is his dad or his brother. (IIRC that story was debunked. What confusion that existed was almost entirely among those who would be classified by pollsters as non-voters. Clearly, they weren't paying much attention.)

Do not panic. The election isn't being held tomorrow. Candidates who are unknown right now have plenty of time to capture the public's attention. I think that George Allen would be a fabulous candidate. Reassuring to conservatives but not frightening to moderates and liberals (much like the Gipper). At this point in previous election cycles, Jimmy Carter was an out-of-office, ex-governor, peanut farmer, Bill Clinton was unknown nationally, George W. had just started to capture national attention following his landslide re-election, and John Kerry was a junior, back-bench Senator. All were obviously able to run viable campaigns.

I think that Hillary is a paper tiger. While we shouldn't underestimate her, we shouldn't make her into some political dynamo that she is not.


110 posted on 03/08/2005 11:04:41 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: Servant of the 9
Yes, you have, I have, but the rank and file voter hasn't.

Same as it was with George W. Bush. He had to establish himself with the voters as someone different from his father. That's what primary and general election campaigns are for.

Believe me, after a Repub. primary campaign, if Allen is running, folks who bother to pay attention will know who he is. The media is going to put a lot of heat, if not light on the subject of the Repub. nominee for Pres. in 2006, because it will be supporting the most liberal Repub. candidate, and diss all the others.

111 posted on 03/08/2005 11:06:40 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Servant of the 9
If he hasn't gotten the job done in all his years as Governor and Senator, then nothing short of taking a sniper rifle to the top of the Washington Monument is going to do it.

Get real. Many folks have no idea who the Governor or Senators of their own states are, much less, those of a neighboring or distant state. That't not to say they can't be educated on the matter before a General Election. There were people in the 2004 election who said they didn't know much about President Bush, and he'd already been in office for four years.

There are some who don't know and don't care who is running for office. Most don't pay attention until a couple of weeks before a general election, so that's when it becomes important to get the message out loud and clear. Before then, it's done for the benefit of the party faithful.

112 posted on 03/08/2005 11:11:35 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands

You do have a rather big butt, dude...MUD


113 posted on 03/08/2005 12:19:16 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Sweet FReedom, one taste and yer hooked fer life!!)
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To: Antoninus
"It's about time we had another Virginian in the White House!"

We've already bred more POTUS's than every other State...MUD

114 posted on 03/08/2005 12:20:31 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Sweet FReedom, one taste and yer hooked fer life!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim

You just like lookin' at it...


115 posted on 03/08/2005 12:21:34 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (One Iraqi purple finger took more courage than John Kerry's three purple hearts.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

LOL...damn Hokie lowlife...MUD


116 posted on 03/08/2005 12:27:57 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Sweet FReedom, one taste and yer hooked fer life!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands

do you 2 need some privacy or sumptin'?????????

You guys crack me up!


117 posted on 03/08/2005 12:44:21 PM PST by Gabz (Wanna join my tag team?)
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To: Servant of the 9
I know who he is, the problem is the apolitical, middle of the road voter we have to carry to win has never heard of him.

Who in the "normal" world had heard of George W. Bush prior to his '98 re-election? He was just that "other brother" and "other son of the President." He didn't start gaining public recognition until approx. Jan 99 - well within two years of his election. But he already had established some strong political connections - as has Allen.

118 posted on 03/08/2005 12:53:32 PM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Antoninus
It will split the GOP and be a free pass for President Hillary. Am I the only one who understands this?

No, you're not. :-)

119 posted on 03/08/2005 12:55:24 PM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Servant of the 9

Has anyone considered this possibility, Hillary wont headline the Democratic Ticket.
There are doubts within her own party over whether she can win the election. A recent poll in my Blue State of New Jersey has Condi a few points ahead of Hillary, possibily due to our large Black population.
As for George Allen.
Technically a southern republican. Adds that 'southern charm' but Condoleeza does have the Foreign, Domestic, and Desicion making appeal. She also appeals to Minorities


120 posted on 03/08/2005 12:55:39 PM PST by Rogers324
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