Posted on 03/07/2005 9:49:24 AM PST by Jeff Head
2005 Update By Jeff Head, February 2005 As an update to the original "Rising Sea Dragon in Asia", that I publiushed in January of 2004 (and have been writing and warning about since 2000), I offer this update, dated in February of 2005. This report is fairly short and broad, and I believe does not contain the detail necessary to reflect the true scope of the emerging threat. But it does clearly indicate the nature and size of the current Red Chinese buildup, and their is only one principle power that such a buildup can be directed at, the United States military. Regarding the continuing naval buildup, the Chinese have already built and launched two of the brand new, very modern, Aegis type Lanzhou Class destroyers, two of the new Guangzhou Class guided missile destroyers, two new Ma'anshan Class guided missile frigates, four of the new large Type 73 Amphibious Assault ships (that's right, four in a very short time frame and more building...can you guess what these are inded for?), and a class of very modern diesle-electric attack subs. In addition, the west has now seen another new class, dubbed the Type 51C that was just launched in December of 2005 in the Dalian, Liaoning Province. Another area air defense destroyer similar to the Type 52C, Lanzho class, this new class is similar in appearance to the Arleigh Burke class original batch destroyers, and is based on the late 1990's Luhai class hull.. It has an Aegis type air defense capability, but no helo facilities, while the two new Type 52C's are similar to the Arliegh Burke Batch IIA ships, with onboard helicopter landing and housing facilities. All of this is in addition to acquiring four very modern and capable Hangzhou Class destroyers from Russia and a total of twelve very modern Russian diesel-electric subs, as well as currently building their own new and modern classes of nuclear attack subs and ballistic missile submarines, along with continuing heavy research into aircraft carrier design and/or refitting. The efforts continue unabated as the Red Chinese continue to build or aquire these EIGHT new classes of ships simultaneously at a rapid pace. Eight new classes of ships at once represents a HUGE outlay in technology and capital across the board. It is almost unheard of and is representative of the massive arms build-up the Red Chinese are embarked upon with their new found wealth. If continued, it can have but one goal in mind, a direct challenge for naval dominance in the Pacific Rim and beyond. As stated, that challenege is a direct one to the United States Navy. The brand new construction and launch of the area air defense, Aegis-like, Type 51C Class destroyer. The new Lanzhou Class (Type 52C) Aegis-like destroyer. 1st commissioned in July 2004, second in service in early 2005. The new Guangzhou Class (Type 52B) Guided Missile Destroyer. 1st commissioned in July 2004, second in service in early 2005. The new Hangzhou Class (Type 951/EM) guided missile destroyers. Four acquired from Russia in the last five years, two already in service, two more in 2005. They carry the Russian Sunburn or Moskit cruise missiles, designed to attack US Aircraft Carriers. The new Ma'anshan Class (Type 054) Guided Missile frigates. Two launched in late 2003, will be in service in early 2005. Two of the new Type 73 Amphibious Assault Ship class, of which three have already been built. The new Yuan Class SSK diesel/electric attack submanrine. The new Russian acquired Kilo Class SSK diesle/electric attack submarines, of which four have been acquired and EIGHT MORE are on order. Coninued outfitting of the former Russian Vayrag at the Dalian shipyards. Red Chinese SU-30 and SU-27SK (J11) and SU-27 aircraft. The chinese Produced J-10 attack fighter. As these ships are produced in numbers and as the Chinese continue with their across the board naval buildup and their carrier development plans towards ultimately lauching their own, the balance of power in the China Sea and western Pacific is going to hang in the balance. Do not forget, the Chinese have purchased and are studying and apparently refitting western style and Russian aircraft carriers. Their intentions in this regard, with the production of all the support and defense ships necessary to form carrier battle groups of their own is clear. Even without those groups, they are poducing a formidable force to challenge our groups in the inner island chain in the western Pacific. While the Chinese experience level with this equipment is lacking and will be very much inferior to the decades of practical experience the United States Navy has, there is no doubt that the Chinese are embarked on a path to challenge that experience and heretofore dominance of the U.S. Navy in the region at some point. If within range of large numbers of land-based aircraft and missiles, and if coupled with modern, capable weapons systems like the Sunburn or Moskit missiles and perhaps supercavitiating torpedo technology, a credible threat to American naval supremecy in the western Pacific could be posed in the next few years...and this does not even address their continued rapid buildup of ballistic missiles and modernization program across the board of their land based armed forces, which are proceeding at a similar pace as that described here regarding their navy and naval air forces. Although the hefty12-14% increase in direct military expenditures of the Red Chinese (and this does not include dual use and so-called private sector input to the defense apparatus-just remeber, in the Red Chinese system, there is no real private sector) represents a small proportion of US Military outlays, remember as well that a significant portion of western outlays goes towards relatively high salaries, benefits, and health care costs that the Chinese system is not burdened with. In terms of outlays towards pure military weapons systems directly, the Chinese are rapidly catching up with western numbers. All of this bears very serious consideration and planning. While we do so, consider this: As stated, the Chinese are currently building and launching eight modern, entire classes of major combatant vessels (not including the two new nuclear attack and strategic missile submarines)...simultaneously. This is a monumental achievement and compares to the United States Navy which is currently building and launching three new classes of major combatants (the Virginia class subs, the San Antonio class LPDs, and the continuing Burk class destroyers) with plans for two to three more U.S. classes in the future Clearly the Chinese and the PLAN are serious about their future naval capabilities in the China Sea and western Pacific and are rapidly building up across the board to implement them. This should be be reminiscent to our senior citizens who experienced it, or anyone who has studied history, of the rapid buildup of adversary military in the 1930s. We all know where that led. Again, there can only be one power that the Red Chinese intend to, and must, confront if conflict over geo-political policy comes into play...and that is the U.S. Navy. Such tremendous development, building and launching of vessels indicate that they intend to do just that and their intentions, capabilities and funding in this regard cannot be underestimated. Copyright © 2005, by Jeff Head Jeff Head (jeffhead.com) is an engineering consultant who has many years of experience in the power, defense, and computer industries. He currently wotrks for the federal government helping maintain and protect regional infrastructure. He is a member of the U.S. Naval Institute, and he is also the author of a self-published and best-selling fictional series of military techno-thrillers about future military confrontation with the Red Chinese called the Dragon's Fury Series of novels (dragonsfuryseries.com) that projects a fictional third world war arising out of current events. You can read about that series by clicking on the pictures of the novel covers below:
THE DRAGON'S FURY SERIES OF NOVELS
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Even if you are just pointing out the negative aspects still a lot of good points.
"Who will design the new technology for our military? American engineering jobs are being shipped overseas at an alarming rate. There is little incentive for American college students to study the hard sciences anymore."
Let me give you some numbers in 1999 America graduated 60,000 engineers. In 2004 America graduated 55,000 engineers. In 1999 China graduated 120,000 engineers, but in 2004 they graduated an astounding 350,000. And it will continue to grow.
In Chinese universities they don't offer greek and roman studies, poli-sci, sociology, anthropology, lawyers, women's studies etc.. In short they are very serious about real sciences, and economic competitiveness.
"We *might* have been able to get away with that (for awhile anyway) while the rest of the world functioned under communism, the most unefficient economic system ever invented; but we will *not* be able to get away with it since China has transitioned to the relatively efficient system of facism."
This is so true.. when we went to the left our main competitor went ridiculusly to the left. In the end not surprisingly they couldn't even get food on the shelf for their people, let alone keep financing a navy on par with us.
The Chicom economic system is like it or not producing real results. And considering they are still reforming, some reforms that are only possible in a fascist system.. that isnt' likely to stop.
The religion of peace isn't leftist either.
--Having said that America can continue to compete, but it is going to take some real reforms for us too. Like in fairness some of the Bush reforms like tax cuts, have helped us.
And like the Chicoms can ally with the Russians or Iranians, we can also make new friends like India, and militarize Japan.
"remember as well that a significant portion of western outlays goes towards relatively high salaries, benefits, and health care costs that the Chinese system is not burdened with. In terms of outlays towards pure military weapons systems directly, the Chinese are rapidly catching up with western numbers."
Few people realize that. A LOT of our military spending is retirement and health benefits for veterans. And most of our federal budget is entitlements for the elderly.
The Chinese aren't democratic so they have at best meager benefits for their old.. and those aren't rising even as China grows. They also have an endless peasantry to draw soldiers from.
Therefore the only rational way to compare the two militaries is looking at numbers and quality of equipment, port facilities, those kind of numbers.
I mean if we look at pure budgets, France would be ranked as one of the greatest militaries on earth.
A chinese company is actually operating the Panama Canal for the Panamanians....Scary...
The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
With logic like your's, I'm surprised we rank that high.
Chalk this up as another failure of the Carter Administration.
The delivery of USS Kidd-class destroyers next year to Taiwan is token help but it's 1970s technology and ship design.
That is if the DD-x is build at all
"PASCAGOULA -- A possible change in the DD(X) program could mean Northrop Grumman Ship Systems would go from building three of the next generation warships to building all or none.
Ship Systems President Phil Dur said Tuesday that company officials learned recently that because of a proposed reduction in the number of ships projected under the DD(X) program, Ship Systems and its main competitor, Bath Iron Works in Bath, Maine, may have to compete for the contract to build the ships. [snip]"
DD(X) program change likely - The Mississippi Press (2/23/2005)
RE: I believe the huge market, as long as the communists are still in power, is an illusion specifically intended to draw us there.
1. "Draw your enemy in"
... and also
2. "When you are strong [militarily and geopolitically] appear to be [strong economically but] weak [militarily and geopolitically]"
= Sun Tzu
RE: The average Chinese has no interest in the political ideology of the past and looks upon Hong Kong with great envy.
However, I have met a number of average Chinese who, while not involved in politics, do believe in future Chinese hegemony, believe that the current norms of territorial control of litorals is wrong and that the Chinese "1000 miles out" is correct, that the PRC has a right to nearby "vassal" states (e.g. SE Asia), that Taiwan should be forced either by non military pressure, or military force, to be governed by Beijing, and, that war with the USA is inevitable. Also, significantly, whereas, ethnic Chinese in SE Asia used to be either neutral or pro Western in orientation, I note among the newer generations, a decidedly pro PRC point of view. All of this must, IMHO, be factored into ones calculations regarding overall hazard and risk analysis.
I love this one:The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
If you believe that a 3rd world dictatorship that can't afford aspirin has a lower infant mortality rate than the country that regularly saves the lives of babies born months prematurely then you need to lay off the crack.
Or this one:"The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens"
Do I really need to explain the difference between providing health care and refusing health care?
The Navy can simply borrow technology for GPS-guided munitions that could be fired out of a 16" Iowa gun. Imagine being able to fire such accurate weapons without the expense or risk of using carrier-based aircraft. Ship-to-ship combat could make use of guns again rather than missiles or aircraft.
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Just an observation, and it may be just nothing, but have you went into a Chinese buffet in the last few years? I have--and noticed something, that for the most part they are all the same.. Has me wondering if they are controlled by the ChiComs and are an additional income stream for their development.. The chinese buffet craze came about within a few years of economic liberalization, before that they were virtually all sit down menu-based...
I thinnk the DDX is also going to have a railgun as well, or so I read in Popular Science.
Awesome. I will check that out if I ever get back there.
Yeah I emailed Fox News once about that as well, and got no reply. All I see is Micheal Jackshit and Martha Stawlart (both spelling intentionall) who get even more coverage than Lebanon's newfound freedom. Too few people seem to realize this impending crisis.
On the whole, doubtful. However, as with all businesses of this type, I would be suspicious of a small fraction of the illegal aliens working there. Some of them may be using an under-the-table "illegal" charade as a cover for something else. But in reality, the most espionage (as demonstrated many times by the FBI and US Atty's Office) is happening via other "legends." The most common legends used are students (here from the PRC on student visas) and professionals (here on H1Bs if worker bees and L1As if management).
I agree. And they would need extensive modernization to match China's Type 052 "Aegis" ships. Better to just give them ready-made Arleigh Burkes complete with the SM-2/3 and Spy-1F. Taiwan is on the priority list to get the Patriot PAC-3 (the latest and greatest in the series, performed flawlessly in Gulf War 2 save for that Chinese land-attack cruise missile Saddam shot off at Kuwait City) but Taiwan's leadership is having problems procuring it (and other hardwar as part of Bush's 2001 deal) thanks to the KMT.
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