Can't go with you there. Van Halen dropped off big time when David Lee Roth left the band. No, "Jump!" wasn't my favorite VH hit. It was "House of Pain".
VH was great, but not as good as MÖTLEY CRÜE.
Posted on 03/04/2005 3:18:53 PM PST by qam1
Nostalgia market wasn't ready to embrace that decade… and may never be
Nikki Sixx, the bassist for the famously fast-living glam-rockers Motley Crue, thinks that even 24 years after its debut, his band still has a certain timeless aspect.
“If you want to drop the tailgate, get some beer and go to a strip club, that's the Crue,” he said recently before a rehearsal for the band's new tour. Yet Sixx's band, which just released a two-disc career anthology, is returning at a particularly interesting moment.
The music of the 1980s has re-entered the zeitgeist in a gigantic way. You can hear it in video games as hip as “Grand Theft Auto: Vice City” and in TV shows such as “The O.C.” VH1 keeps putting out specials like “Big '80s” and the wildly popular “I Love the '80s.” The record industry reacted slowly, but now acts like New Edition, Duran Duran, George Michael, the Cure, New Order, Billy Idol, Heavy D and the Crue have been encouraged to shake off the dust and get back on the road.
Most of those bands have returned with attendant fanfare, sweeping across red carpets and past screaming fans at radio station visits and showcase concerts.
Yet despite the grass-roots enthusiasm and VH1 dogma, not to mention millions of dollars in marketing, the '80s are not selling where it counts. CD buyers just aren't interested.
Take Tears for Fears. Curt Smith and Roland Orzabal didn't work together for 10 years, but they got back together to write songs and eventually got a six-figure advance from Universal's New Door label to perform again. They found themselves playing radio station-sponsored concerts and meeting fans at in-store appearances at Tower Records. According to Nielsen SoundScan data, through Jan. 30 their album, “Everybody Loves a Happy Ending,” had sold just 80,000 copies, a far cry from their last album, “The Seeds of Love,” which sold about 1 million copies.
Duran Duran, who drew a fanatical following in the early '80s, got all of its original members back last year and scored five sellouts at Wembley Arena in London. The band signed a deal with Epic Records for an estimated $500,000 and made the rounds on TV shows and fashion-industry events. It has all resulted in about 200,000 copies sold of the reunion album “Astronaut.”
“The '80s nostalgia boom is real, but it's not broad,” said Michael Hirschorn, executive vice president of programming for VH1. “It doesn't apply to everything and not in all ways. It applies to a specific kind of Gen X, self-mocking, slightly ironic thing. For this group of people, you can't give them straight nostalgia of the sort of baby boomer ‘everything was wonderful and great when we were kids' feel. People Gen X and younger know that things weren't that great. We never thought that Motley Crue was saving the world. We just identify with them passionately, but with a certain wink.”
Reviving the careers of artists who have retreated from the pop music scene is never a simple affair, but it has been done — usually by appealing to new fans at least as directly as old ones. Aerosmith did it by rapping with Run-DMC. Carlos Santana swept the Grammys for 1999 by doing “Supernatural” alongside popular artists of the day. Sometimes you go where the kids are: Idol is booked to play South by Southwest, the annual buzz-band conclave in Austin, Texas.
But when it comes to the new material, the 30-something American fans who should logically form the artists' core audiences just aren't turning up.
No need
Ann Fishman, president of Generational Targeted Marketing, said the problem isn't with the music, it's with the memories. The fans from Generation X, she says, “are not particularly grounded in their youth.”
“Would you be grounded in something where you had divorced parents, poor schooling?” she asks. “We presume nostalgia is a great selling tool. It is to the baby boomers. It's not to Gen X. The history of their youth has forced them to grow up more quickly. Nostalgia is not necessarily something that's going to move them ahead. They enjoy the music of their youth, but it's not a need.”
The theory might help to explain why Madonna and Prince had a very good year. They both made it big in the '80s but pretty much kept performing and evolving. Their recent albums were simply the latest chapter in a long and varied career.
Making the odds that much longer, the long-lost stars of the '80s are returning to a music establishment they might barely recognize. The machinery that transformed them into mass phenomena two decades ago — mainly Top 40 radio and MTV — has long since been dismantled or redesigned. The radio dial has splintered into tightly managed formats aimed at specified niches, which may not be receptive to revivals.
“There's resistance from radio to play some of these artists,” said Jon Zellner, a former Kansas Citian who ran Star 102 and Mix 93.3 in Kansas City and now oversees programming on so-called hot adult-contemporary stations for Infinity Broadcasting. He said he decided against playing Tears for Fears, among others.
“I think programmers are potentially afraid of their radio stations sounding dated.”
As for MTV, the cable giant now devotes far more airtime to reality programming and lifestyle shows than videos. New bands now establish themselves through outlets that didn't exist five years ago, let alone 20, like AOL's “Sessions,” a live performance for online viewers, or MySpace, an online community popular with music fans. And those formats don't favor bands in their 40s and 50s.
“I just wasn't convinced that the songs were compelling enough to compete in today's marketplace,” said Andrew Slater, president of Capitol Records, who says he passed on both Duran Duran and Billy Idol. “On the television side, you might have someone perform on a late-night show, but ultimately I don't think it's enough to drive a passive audience to all drop what they're doing in their lives and find that connection to the artist that they loved in the '80s.”
All the way live
But '80s acts are expected to do extremely well in their North American concert tours. Motley Crue, for one, will be paid minimum fees of up to $250,000 a night. Duran Duran, in addition to big appearance fees, is cashing in on the trend toward VIP tickets, offering their most devoted fans the chance to buy travel packages, including a two-night hotel stay and signed memorabilia, for $2,590 per person.
But those lucrative concerts play to fans eager for one (or two) glorious nights of nostalgia, not those interested in watching the band try to grow.
“It's hard enough now doing any of the old material because obviously we just want to do the new material,” said Smith of Tears for Fears. “(It's) horrible to be playing onstage and have all these people in the front saying play ‘Shout.' There are certain emotions you have in your late teens and 20s that really don't exist when you turn 40. There's a certain angst we had then that doesn't exist now. Now we have middle-aged angst.”
The stars of the '80s also now have middle-aged bodies, and hauling them around the country on long tours isn't as easy as it once might have been. Mick Mars, the guitarist for Motley Crue, has undergone hip replacement surgery. Smith has two young children.
Still, you won't hear any of them complaining too loudly. Pop music has always been a young person's game, and for those who get a rare second turn in the spotlight, even tepid album sales and a backward-looking concert tour are a rush. But for many fans watching the marketing machinery creak into gear, it can be a little annoying.
In Baltimore, for example, Benn Ray, the co-owner of independent bookstore Atomic Books, has started up a regular “I Hate the '80s” party to mock the trend.
“The '80s nostalgia was starting to roll in, and I was like, ‘Wait a minute! Did you people actually listen to the same decade I did? You had eight years of Reagan. There was cocaine everywhere. There were yuppies.' ” At past parties, attended by people wearing parachute pants and Members Only jackets, local bands performed their most-hated '80s memories on Casio keyboards, which they demolished at the end of their set. Another show had a guy called Evil Pappy Twin playing Van Halen covers on a lute.
In any case, the clock is running out. VH1's Hirschorn says the second coming of the '80s has already lasted almost as long as the original decade, and it may be time to move on. VH1, of course, has already brought out a new series … called “I Love the '90s.”
Parts of it were still pretty rural, although Stuart was 'town' and Palm City was country. The beach was heaven back then. Now its all one big slab of concrete.
I enjoyed Nixon kicking McGovern.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Aside from 90 and 91, which were pretty good years, the rest of the decade became progressively lame and tiresome.
I wasn't but a gleam in my dad's eye, being born in '76 and all.
As opposed to the '00s, which have been severely depressing so far.
Man, I bet you were a cool kid. (Just kidding)
They've been pretty good for me so far, personally. It's been especially wonderful since spring of '03, when my little one was born.
I thought most all of it sucked. MTV ruined music because everyone was writing videos instead of songs.
Good song writing went away and was replaced with pop crap even in rock.
But then again I was in a funk because there was no new Led Zeppelin. ;-)
Can't go with you there. Van Halen dropped off big time when David Lee Roth left the band. No, "Jump!" wasn't my favorite VH hit. It was "House of Pain".
VH was great, but not as good as MÖTLEY CRÜE.
I agree with you. To me, the 80s was a musical void. I can not name one decent pop/rock act that came out of the 80s.
The new Judas Priest CD is amazing!!
Hey, the Seventies were the "most ridiculous decade" champs forever it seemed like and even they finally receded into the past enough to become cute. Why not the 80s?
The Seventies finished the party that they Sixties started. The 80s were a bit more subdued, true, but it was a needed correction. Thank goodness we had it or with the violent lurch to the left of the Nineties, we'd all probably be saying "Da, Komrade" by now.
I wasn't aware that the new Tears for Fears album was out yet. When was it released?
It seems that there has been a concerted attempt at bringing back 80s nostalgia for some time now. It catches on slightly for awhile then fizzles. I guess the powers that be thought that the 70s 'nostalgia' of the 90s could be replicated with the 80s. I guess not. The grunge music of the 90s was somewhat a throwback to Black Sabbath (early 70s) and then 70s fashion started to hit around the mid 90s into the early 00s. Whereas "That 70s Show" was/is popular, the attempt at "That 80s Show" was a quick flop. Maybe people just aren't ready for an 80s revival yet. The article mentions "The Big 80s", but that show has been around for almost 10 years, hasn't it? If it's still on, it would be reruns, I think.
When I lived in California in the mid 90s, I remember there was an article in the Orange County Register talking about the emergence of 80s nostalgia much earlier than one would expect; sort of an instant nostalgia for a time that hadn't been gone all that long. The article mentioned the "The Big 80s" and did a small interview with Julie Brown (the redheaded comedienne VJ on MTV). It was a pretty long article and I recall thinking that they were right. There did seem to be some nostalgia for the old 80s videos and some of the pop culture. So, one could argue that this has been going on for a while.
Personally, I wasn't a huge fan of 80s music. I was still a Led Zeppelin guy and thought that the early 80s synth pop stuff was too wimpy. Now I have more of an appreciation of some of the more adventureous music of the 80s, as the rock/hard rock scene today is boring. The same guitar sound abounds in each song and the singing is off key much of the time. One thing you can say is that the music of the 80s was more fun as opposed to today.
Remember "Strange Brew"? We've been looking for it recently for the kids. That was a funny movie!
Believe me, the times we are in right now are just as interesting as the ones we were in back then... probably even more interesting.
The biggest problem I see is that each demographic cohort seems to feel it has to outdo the one before in terms of outrageousness. I don't see how that competition can continue indefinitely.
What movie?
Nostalgia will lead people to buy tix to see a band, if only in the club venue. I don't think it will motivate to buy an album.
Santana was a marked departure from the rest as he came blowing back out of the gate with a fresh, clean sound and captured another generation. The latino thing helped too. Good for him.
Give me a break. These idiots that wrote the article and those who are quoted in the article are still on a "Reagan was evil incarnate during the decade of greed" kick.
They admit that 80's nostalgia is big but lament the fact that revived groups are not. I liked Tears for Fears the first time. If they are back together and playing NEW music, I don't consider that 80's nostalgia. Duh!
I want to listen to the original Billy Idol, not a 50 year old Billy Idol.
What a ridculous premise for an article!
Yep. Today's music is either full of violence and obscenity, weird sounds like somebody playing with a shortwave, trite ideological statements or a combination.
Oddly, I've heard contemporary popular musicians whining about the lack of interest in their music and blaming it on file sharing software. The truth is that this decade has so far produced some really DISMAL music.
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