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Well I'm relieved that the killers have apparently been caught. May the Armanious family Rest in Peace and may their family find some consolation in their murderers being caught and brought to justice for the slayings.

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1 posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:08 PM PST by Selkie
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"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people,"
I didn't kill anybody, Sanchez. sheesh.
2 posted on 03/04/2005 2:15:55 PM PST by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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3 posted on 03/04/2005 2:17:47 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie

I'm not believing this one.


4 posted on 03/04/2005 2:20:14 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Selkie
So then what all that about the family being stalked by (Islamo) person or persons they encountered in while in an Internet chatroom?

I haven't kept up with this case, but robbery as motive that resulted in such an heinous crime doesn't seem to fit.
5 posted on 03/04/2005 2:21:57 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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......Well I'm relieved that the 'killers' have apparently been caught.......

Yep.

6 posted on 03/04/2005 2:23:12 PM PST by maestro
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11 posted on 03/04/2005 2:27:07 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Selkie

Sorry, but this smacks of a 'round up the usual suspects' cover-up by the authorities.

I have it from a Copt who attends our Eastern Orthodox (Rum, that is, for folks in the know about Christianity in the Middle East) mission when he doesn't make the 2.5 hour trek to the nearest Coptic church, that the Coptic community in NJ know who the killers are. Evidently the Armanious family were instrumental in the conversion of an Egyptian woman from Islam to Christianity, and shortly after the murders all of her still-Muslim relatives returned to Egypt.

The lack of forced entry was because the killers convinced the Armanious's that they were interested in a Bible study, and were welcomed into the home.


12 posted on 03/04/2005 2:31:34 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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If it was a drug robbery, then there should have been lots of evidence left behind, fingerprints and the like. IIRC from the first reports, the killings seemed awfully meticulous for a couple of wild druggies.

OTOH, maybe, these are the two guys who did OJ's wife and Vince Foster.

16 posted on 03/04/2005 2:36:50 PM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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"They was dead when we got there; we just took their stuff!"


20 posted on 03/04/2005 2:45:39 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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No problem.

Robert Spencer will just invent some new "Muslim outrage" to post on Jihadwatch for his sheep.

That's what keeps them happy and buying books.

41 posted on 03/04/2005 3:16:11 PM PST by mrsmith
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http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_063073525.html

(1010 WINS) (JERSEY CITY) The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders.

Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty.

Sanchez during a court hearing began crying as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back.

"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing.

Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail.

Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children -- Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 -- were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.

Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said the killings took place in the course of a robbery by the two men, who owed a large sum of money to a person whom DeFazio would not identify.

Police went to the Armanious home after relatives were unable to contact the family for several days. All four victims were found bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their throats.

DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people, DeFazio said.

McDonald was taken into custody Thursday and charged later that night. Sanchez was arrested Thursday night and charged Friday.

Developments in the slayings had intensified in recent days as authorities revealed that thousands of dollars had been withdrawn from Armanious' bank account using his ATM card in the days after the slayings.

McDonald's aunt, who would only identify herself by her first name, Marie, told The Star-Ledger of Newark that he was not involved in the slayings.

"He's innocent," she said in Friday's newspapers. "He's not that kind of person."

The slayings created tension between Christians and Muslims here and in northern New Jersey. The Armaniouses were Coptic Christians, and Hossam Armanious frequented Internet chat rooms, posting opinions under the user name "I Love Jesus."

Friends of the family speculated that he might have angered Muslims with those online posts, and many Coptics in New Jersey and elsewhere blamed Islamic extremists for the killings.

"I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," DeFazio said.


49 posted on 03/04/2005 3:24:22 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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The killers haven't been caught. It's a cover-up in progress. The pols and LEOs are handing-off the the blame to non-islamics for the beheadings. They're afraid for their families' safety.

This crap is just starting. Get ready; it's going to be a *bumpy ride*, S.


51 posted on 03/04/2005 3:31:18 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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Detectives picked up the man, identified by a relative as Edward McDonald, 25, after reviewing surveillance videos from ATMS in Jersey City and Manhattan, WABC-TV and WNBC-TV reported.

Despite his claim of innocence, Hamilton Sanchez has now been charged with felony murder, along with 25-year-old Edward McDonald, who according to police came up with the plan to rob his downstairs neighbor.

Ex-Cons Accused of Brutally Murdering Family
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New Jersey Department of Corrections records show that on Feb. 22, 2002, McDonald was sentenced to three years in the slammer for distributing drugs on school property.

He was paroled on Sept. 9, 2003, after serving about 18 months.

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McDonald and Sanchez????  I bet they were not Muslims, sound very Catholic to me, IMHO.


66 posted on 03/04/2005 4:38:27 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Selkie

I almost don't believe these are the killers.


69 posted on 03/04/2005 4:58:09 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: All; Fred Nerks; Former Dodger; RS; jan in Colorado

"...and that, my children, is the story of the little FReepers who cried 'Muslim!'"

"Daddy, Daddy, tell us again about how the little FReepers cried out about the beheaded man at the theater..."

"Now, now, children...if I have to go through the stories again, you'll be up all night!"


95 posted on 03/05/2005 8:54:42 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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BTTT


115 posted on 03/05/2005 10:32:23 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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Sounds more like some Islamic nut jobs set up some ignorant locals to take the fall. I'm not trusting this. Druggies don't put that much effort into killing their victims. Besides, most druggies are NOT murderers.


162 posted on 03/06/2005 8:39:19 AM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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I hear "girlfriend" sometimes, and in other reports it was the alleged murderer's "wife"...did he get married recently?


166 posted on 03/06/2005 10:32:29 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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I don't believe this for a NY minute...


179 posted on 03/06/2005 8:33:49 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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I don't know ...

"DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people, DeFazio said."

This isn't sitting right with me. Why kill the entire family?


355 posted on 03/07/2005 9:33:53 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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