Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie
By WAYNE PARRY The Associated Press
JERSEY CITY, N.J. - The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders.
Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty.
Sanchez during a court hearing began crying as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back.
"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing.
Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail.
Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children - Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 - were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.
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Right-o!
NOTHING in this "investigation" smells right----ask any cop how long it takes to get the financials of a victim!
The cops here in CT are laughing at the rank stupidity of what is coming out of JC, and so are my friends on the job in NYC.
It sure as hell isn't any six-to-eight weeks. In fact, it's usually (tops) five days or so. This case gets stranger by the moment.
The prosec. office is perpetuating a snow-job
So, the two drug peddlers, one of whom lived upstairs, find the door open and help themselves to the contents of the father's wallet and quickly depart the scene...they don't take jewelry because jewelry can be identified. They don't want to be linked to the murders, but can't resist the opportunity to get their hands on quick cash. As druggies, their brains are so addled they haven't the nouse to leave town, they go back to their 'normal' life - meanwhile the police are watching them, to see if they contact, or are contacted by anyone else who may be implicated. But the perps have long gone. They are no longer in the country. All the police have now is the two druggies, circumstantial evidence (possession of the ATM card and the PIN number that was probably in the wallet) and now the real investigation starts.
Forensics.
I wouldn't even believe a confession right now.
That's MO in plain aussie-speak.
I agree. Neither the Jewell story nor the "Muslims Did It" story rang true to anyone who thought about things a bit.
When the theory doesn't fit the facts, be sure to twist your facts to fit your theory! Guaranteed success!
Hey, my speculations won't convict anyone innocent, and surely you've heard of instances where someone confessed to something they didn't do because they were promised a lighter sentence if they plead guilty?
There are two individuals under questioning. One will attempt to shift blame onto the other, or the police will use the usual tactic: Confess, your friend has already told us the truth.
I'm reasonable. All I am saying is I want to see forensics prove either one of these men actually were physically involved in the killings.
And you joined up TOMORROW to tell me that?
That's a hell of an allegation. However, you do not present any supporting facts.
Cute.
I will try again. First I will defer to Dr. Daniel Pipes.
I know for a fact how much CAIR despises and fears Dr. Daniel Pipes. Locally CAIR tried desperately (with help from employees of the Sacramento Bee) to get local talkshow host Mark Williams to cancel Dr. Pipes' appearance on the show. That was last year. What were they afraid of I wonder.
About this case: If radical Islam is involved, Dr. Pipes says, then "it raises a most alarming prospect of the importation of Shari‘a to America. I suspect, however, that government, media, academy, churches, and others will prefer not to see this horrifying development for what it is. (January 20, 2005)" [My emphasis, and belief also]
Have druggies been charged in the Theo van Gogh's murder in Holland?
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/398
In another article at his site Dr. Pipes reminds us of several instances over the past few years including the Beltway snipers. Remember? Angry white guys doing the shooting. Angry white guys in a white van.
If I recall at least one cop had seen the two Muslims near the site of the second shooting. But noooooooo, the "experts" and the chief said the shooters were angry white guys and by god that's all we're looking for.
Are the two druggies guilty? I cannot say that they are or not. I can say that many sure hope that they can be found guilty.
I just want the truth whether it proves or disproves my own opinion about this case.
It is completely possible that the druggies came upon the murder scene and plundered the victims. This would explain the use of the ATM card.
The druggies could even have been told to go to the house to see something "interesting". This would give the cops a false trail.
No. It was to be first for the hors d'oeuvres.
Grab what you can while you can.
Never been to Jersey City, I take it...
Members of my friend's family were murdered in a brutal incident where the mother was duct-taped spread eagled on the bed, her baby was killed on the floor, the house was set afire with two others asleep downstairs...
Despite the outcry that it was this woman's ex-husband, with all the motive, etc., making family members SURE it was him....it turned out to be the neighbors, who had robbed the woman for...
...$5
"...and that, my children, is the story of the little FReepers who cried 'Muslim!'"
"Daddy, Daddy, tell us again about how the little FReepers cried out about the beheaded man at the theater..."
"Now, now, children...if I have to go through the stories again, you'll be up all night!"
Police use techniques to determine if confessions are false. (Of course they don't always work, but ask any cop if they can usually get a pretty good feel for things, and my experience has been that most good cops are professionals who have uncanny abilities that I could only dream of.)
Sure. Ri-i-ight. Every $25K a year cop has uncanny abilities you've never dreamed of. I've been to parties some of the Jersey City cops were at -- that unacnny ability must include drinking copious amounts of beer and shots.
No genuine poster on any significiant forum or blog and expecially FR is gonna take kindly to being told that what they think in their own mind and how they came to think what they so think is against what many other folks think. They will not suffer it.
So here you are ruined.
Consequently my advice to you now is "Get lost." Take a different assignment. Find some other way to feed the kiddies.
The robbers had been in the home for about 31/2 hours and were in the process of rummaging through the family's belongings when Monica was finally able to free herself — first wriggling her little hands out of the duct-tape handcuffs, then pulling the tape from over her eyes and mouth. But she was soon spotted by McDonald as she tried to flee into a bathroom, DeFazio said. He mercilessly butchered the elementary school girl and left her body in a bloody pool on the bathroom tiles, the prosecutor said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just playing Devil's advocate here, but the Armanious house apparently has peepholes on the doors. Did the alledged killers actually cover the peehole so Mrs. Armanious couldnt look outside before opening the door ?
It seems odd to me that she'd just swing open the door when she's home alone with her daughters.
I live down the hill from J.C. Heights and my town is much safer crimewise then The Heights. And there is still no way I'd ever open the doors to any strangers even if they were begging for help.....
It's interesting to note how many papers are now covering this story worldwide and are portraying the Prosecutor accusations as gospel fact.
Hudson County Prosecutor Ed DeFazio talks to the media in Jersey City, N.J., Friday, March 4, 2005, about the arrest of two suspects in the case of a slained Jersey City family.
Excuse you, but the murdered family had had death threats from Muslims online.
It was not too far a jump to wonder if Muslims had done it.
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