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Justice Scalia’s Dissent [Juvenile Killers]
FindLaw ^ | 3-01-05 | Justice Scalia

Posted on 03/01/2005 10:40:45 AM PST by OXENinFLA

  Justice Scalia, with whom The Chief Justice and Justice Thomas join, dissenting.

In urging approval of a constitution that gave life-tenured judges the power to nullify laws enacted by the people's representatives, Alexander Hamilton assured the citizens of New York that there was little risk in this, since "[t]he judiciary ... ha[s] neither FORCE nor WILL but merely judgment." The Federalist No. 78, p. 465 (C. Rossiter ed. 1961). But Hamilton had in mind a traditional judiciary, "bound down by strict rules and precedents which serve to define and point out their duty in every particular case that comes before them." Id., at 471. Bound down, indeed. What a mockery today's opinion makes of Hamilton's expectation, announcing the Court's conclusion that the meaning of our Constitution has changed over the past 15 years--not, mind you, that this Court's decision 15 years ago was wrong, but that the Constitution has changed. The Court reaches this implausible result by purporting to advert, not to the original meaning of the Eighth Amendment, but to "the evolving standards of decency," ante, at 6 (internal quotation marks omitted), of our national society. It then finds, on the flimsiest of grounds, that a national consensus which could not be perceived in our people's laws barely 15 years ago now solidly exists. Worse still, the Court says in so many words that what our people's laws say about the issue does not, in the last analysis, matter: "[I]n the end our own judgment will be brought to bear on the question of the acceptability of the death penalty under the Eighth Amendment." Ante, at 9 (internal quotation marks omitted). The Court thus proclaims itself sole arbiter of our Nation's moral standards--and in the course of discharging that awesome responsibility purports to take guidance from the views of foreign courts and legislatures. Because I do not believe that the meaning of our Eighth Amendment, any more than the meaning of other provisions of our Constitution, should be determined by the subjective views of five Members of this Court and like-minded foreigners, I dissent.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 8thammendment; cruelunusual; deathpenalty; juveniles; ropervsimmons; ruling; scalia; scotus
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To: JCEccles

This is true, but I can still see the argument being used and highlighting the absurdity of the court's rulings.

Bringing absurdity to the light of day is always a good thing.


81 posted on 03/01/2005 11:47:03 AM PST by MissouriConservative (Happiness is like peeing in your pants. Everyone can see it, but no one feels the warmth as you do.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Of course the only three that I'd actually call conservative are Scalia, Thomas, and Rhenquist...


83 posted on 03/01/2005 11:49:21 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: Mr. K

Bork doesn't support the individual rights interpretation of the Second Amendment, so I've read. If true, I'm against.


84 posted on 03/01/2005 11:49:45 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Mr. K
Man I hope Scalia get made Chief Justice and they re-nominate BORK

I certainly hope they don't re-nominate BORK. He's advanced in age, and has health problems. Let's assume you get what you want. Bork dies 4 years after assuming his post on the bench, and gets replaced by some Liberal f***.

85 posted on 03/01/2005 11:51:28 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a theory based on conspiracies.)
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To: JCEccles
"The reality is, some will and many won't." [Spend life behind bars]

You hit it right on the head. Remember Ryan of Illinois. It is frightening that ANY one of 50 Governors [Some of whom are criminals themselves IMO] or a law breaking President like Clinton can go even further in circumventing the will of the people than this Court has.

86 posted on 03/01/2005 11:51:35 AM PST by drt1
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To: Mathemagician

Ok then wise guy, who then does God believe in? Himself? That would make him a narcissist, not a theist.


87 posted on 03/01/2005 11:51:43 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: NCSteve; iopscusa

It's just you and Somalia.

Once again, do you realize that you are talking about executing children?


89 posted on 03/01/2005 11:57:18 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Patriotism: you love your own people first; Nationalism, you hate people other than your own first.)
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To: Mathemagician

Can you show me where God specifically authorizes the death penalty for minors?


90 posted on 03/01/2005 11:58:15 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Patriotism: you love your own people first; Nationalism, you hate people other than your own first.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I rarely encounter people like you who are so stubbornly removed from reality, so here's a gift. These are details on what this "child," Christopher Simmons did:

In early September 1993, Simmons then 17, discussed with his friends, Charlie Benjamin (age 15) and John Tessmer (age 16), the possibility of committing a burglary and murdering someone. On several occasions, Simmons described the manner in which he planned to commit the crime: he would find someone to burglarize, tie the victim up, and ultimately push the victim off a bridge. Simmons assured his friends that their status as juveniles would allow them to "get away with it." Simmons apparently believed that a "voodoo man" who lived in a nearby trailer park would be the best victim. Rumor had it that the voodoo man owned hotels and motels and had lots of money despite his residence in a mobile home park. On September 8, 1993, Simmons arranged to meet Benjamin and Tessmer at around 2:00 a.m. the following morning for the purpose of carrying out the plan. The boys met at the home of Brian Moomey, a 29-year old convicted felon who allowed neighbor teens to "hang out" at his home. Tessmer met Simmons and Benjamin, but refused to go with them and returned to his own home. Simmons and Benjamin left Moomey’s and went to Shirley Crook’s house to commit a burglary. The two found a back window cracked open at the rear of Crook’s home. They opened the window, reached through, unlocked the back door, and entered the house. Moving through the house, Simmons turned on a hallway light. The light awakened Shirley, who was home alone. She sat up in bed and asked, "Who’s there?" Simmons entered her bedroom and recognized Shirley as a woman with whom he had previously had an automobile accident. Shirley apparently recognized him as well. Simmons ordered Shirley out of her bed and on to the floor with Benjamin’s help. While Benjamin guarded Shirley in the bedroom, Simmons found a roll of duct tape, returned to the bedroom and bound her hands behind her back. They also taped her eyes and mouth shut. They walked Shirley from her home and placed her in the back of her mini-van. Simmons drove the van from Shirley’s home in Jefferson County to Castlewood State Park in St. Louis County. At the park, Simmons drove the van to a railroad trestle that spanned the Meramec River. Simmons parked the van near the railroad trestle. He and Benjamin began to unload Shirley from the van and discovered that she had freed her hands and had removed some of the duct tape from her face. Using her purse strap, the belt from her bathrobe, a towel from the back of the van, and some electrical wire found on the trestle, Simmons and Benjamin bound Shirley, restraining her hands and feet and covering her head with the towel. Simmons and Benjamin walked Shirley to the railroad trestle. There, Simmons bound her hands and feet together, hog-tie fashion, with the electrical cable and covered Shirley’s face completely with duct tape. Simmons then pushed her off the railroad trestle into the river below. At the time she fell, Shirley was alive and conscious. Simmons and Benjamin then threw Shirley’s purse in to the woods and drove the van back to the mobile home park across from the subdivision in which she lived. Her body was found later that afternoon by two fishermen. Simmons was arrested the next day, September 10, at his high school.

Oh yeah. He certainly sounds redeemable, the poor little baby.


92 posted on 03/01/2005 12:06:41 PM PST by NCSteve
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To: OXENinFLA
"Precedent" carries no meaning if you can cherry pick from anywhere on the globe during anytime of world history. Stoning is legal in other countries so why isn't it legal here? All you have to do to legalize it is to have a justice cite an African stoning law as a precedent in a court hearing. Badda Bing, let the stoning begin.

At what point do you say, "This is an impeachable act"?

94 posted on 03/01/2005 12:08:53 PM PST by rudypoot
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To: Mathemagician
Can you show me where God specifically authorizes the death penalty for minors? Glad you asked, my man! It's in Deuteronomy 21:18-21.

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die...

Talk about ask and ye shall receive. LOL

99 posted on 03/01/2005 12:18:15 PM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (Jack Daniels is so good you can feel a straight shot all the way to your toes.)
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To: Melas
So you're advocating adult responsibility...

What are you talking about? If the perp is old enough to play GOD and take someones life, then they certainly can be held to "Adult" responsibility. We are talking about murder here.
100 posted on 03/01/2005 12:24:58 PM PST by Blowtorch
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