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To: Next_Time_NJ

Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision.


4 posted on 03/01/2005 7:22:40 AM PST by Halls
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To: Halls
Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision.

OK. While I understand your sympathy for the little vermin, where in the Constitution is a 17yo murder precluded from being put to death by a State?

16 posted on 03/01/2005 7:25:09 AM PST by Smedley (I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt.)
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To: Halls

I agree also with the sentiment of the decision. But whether or not I agree, the question is whether the justices really have the authority to define "cruel" this way, usurping state prerogatives. I don't think they do.


29 posted on 03/01/2005 7:28:16 AM PST by Chaguito
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To: Halls
You "agree with" the concept that it's wrong to executive those under 18, or you agree with the Court's claim that the Constitution prohibits it?

Because the problem is that the Constitution doesn't prohibit it.

Even worse, it's likely that the majority opinion of the Court has staked their claim on foreign law and jurisprudence.

35 posted on 03/01/2005 7:29:32 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Halls; All
One word for you: Columbine.

Dylan Klebold was 17. Now, defend your position.

63 posted on 03/01/2005 7:35:16 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: Halls
Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision.

When the constitution was written, a 17 year old was a man.

65 posted on 03/01/2005 7:35:50 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Halls

There is no magical divide between 18 and 17 in terms of maturity.


68 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:29 AM PST by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: Halls

I also agree.


82 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:45 AM PST by JohnMac
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To: Halls
Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision.

That's nice. We will send the little demons in human form to live in your house ok?

87 posted on 03/01/2005 7:38:07 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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To: Halls
>Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision

Well, Robert Heinlein,
classic libertarian,
thought society

for self protection
could put people to death, but
had no right at all

to treat human beings
like animals and lock them
in cages for life.

92 posted on 03/01/2005 7:39:14 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Halls

I have mixed feelings about this. My compassionate side says it is the right decision....

My other, louder side says their victims are as dead as they would be if the murderer was 21. There are way too many streetsmart minors out their who know exactly what they are doing.

I guess the next best thing to frying is to send a 15 or 16 year old cold blooded killer child to prison knowing he will never, ever see the outside. But that will be next on the lib agenda.


117 posted on 03/01/2005 7:43:17 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Halls
Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision.

And when more and more murders are committed by juveniles, then what?

What stops people from hiring juveniles to murder others?

118 posted on 03/01/2005 7:43:23 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Halls
"Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision."

After all, if someone is killed by a person under the age of 18, he isn't quite as dead as if he were killed by an adult.

Makes sense to me. (/sarc.)

457 posted on 03/01/2005 9:11:42 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Halls
Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision.

This is the teenage contract killers employment act of 2005. It is already common place for teens to be recruited to perform contract killings because of their immunity to the death penalty. The goofs in black have ensured and endorsed the practice.

622 posted on 03/01/2005 10:52:50 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Halls
If you are old enough to do the crime, you're old enough to pay the price.

As far as "cruelty" goes, being a teenager and facing life in prison is far crueler than getting it over with.
692 posted on 03/01/2005 1:29:55 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: Halls

Really.

Given the current national high school dropout rate (30%), and the relationship between drugs, organized crime, and youth gangs, you don't believe that there is any meaningful deterrent value to having the death statute applied to 12 year olds?

Oh, and I forgot to mention a new revenue stream for gangs - infiltrating terrorists. Given all of this, you think we ought to take the needle away from juvenile murder sentencing?

I think the Supremes continue to go around the bend. I'm not sure where everyone fell at 5-4, but I can guess that Scalia, Thomas, Renquest, and somebody else dissented.


698 posted on 03/01/2005 1:48:28 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: Halls
Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision

Would you elaborate as to why?
705 posted on 03/01/2005 2:33:35 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight, act like a Knight)
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To: Halls

Then you aren't aware of the horror that these killers/rapists/torturers subject their victims to. Cruel and unusual punishment? Yes, on their INNOCENT VICTIMS.


758 posted on 03/01/2005 7:17:52 PM PST by Libertina (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: Halls

I disagree. I think the jury, judge and numerous avenues for appeal plus the pardon power of the governor and president of US, ensures all but the most aggravated, and heinous teen murderers get the death penalty.

I put my trust in the these people to make the right call.


770 posted on 03/01/2005 11:52:52 PM PST by staytrue
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