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CNN: US SUPREME COURT: ALL DEATH PENALTY CASES WITH JUVENILE KILLERS THROWN OUT!
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Posted on 03/01/2005 7:21:16 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ

The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the Constitution forbids the execution of killers who were under 18 when they committed their crimes, ending a practice used in 19 states.

The 5-4 decision throws out the death sentences of about 70 juvenile murderers and bars states from seeking to execute minors for future crimes.

The executions, the court said, were unconstitutionally cruel.

This report will be updated as details become available.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; deathpenalty; impeachthem; judicialtyranny; juveniles; levinsexactlyright; meninblack; readmarklevinsbook; ropervsimmons; ruling; scotus; supremecourt
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I have no problem with executing teenagers. If they do the crime, they can die.
In a lot of cases, its too bad you can't execute the parents, too.


61 posted on 03/01/2005 7:35:10 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Halls; All
One word for you: Columbine.

Dylan Klebold was 17. Now, defend your position.

63 posted on 03/01/2005 7:35:16 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: NautiNurse

5-4, eh? So who was the "moderate"? O'Connor or Kennedy?


64 posted on 03/01/2005 7:35:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Halls
Yeah, this is big, but honestly I think I have to agree with their decision.

When the constitution was written, a 17 year old was a man.

65 posted on 03/01/2005 7:35:50 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: gopwinsin04
I hope one of the Carr brothers in Wichita were not juveniles

Not to worry, both of those sub-human scumbags were over the age of 18 when they murdered their victims. First, they'll get to meet Mr. Needle. Second, they get to meet their eternal master, aka Lucifer and his 24/7 BBQ Pit & Spit.

It won't be pretty.
66 posted on 03/01/2005 7:35:57 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Tree of Liberty

Not at all. Nice ends, crappy and unjustifiable means.


67 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:05 AM PST by Petronski (Zebras: Free Range Bar Codes of the Serengeti)
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To: Halls

There is no magical divide between 18 and 17 in terms of maturity.


68 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:29 AM PST by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: boilerfan
This just in... The Killers victims are still DEAD!

And I would venture to guess not all of those victims were 18 or over at the time they were murdered.

69 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:32 AM PST by jla
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To: HostileTerritory
How about if an 11 year old killed someone--would you say the same thing?
No, because he's just a kid, he can't think like an adult and understand what he did. No one wants to execute 11 year olds.
With all due respect, please don't presume to speak for me. I happen to believe that an 11 year old should be just as susceptible to the death penalty as any adult, if they are charged with murder.
70 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:39 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Dear Homicidal kid,

There are 5 Supreme Court justices who hate you and want to take away your candy. Let me give you their home addresses...

71 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:44 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: EagleUSA
The SC has gone highly liberal, running on politics, and if EVER TERM LIMITS SHOULD BE APPLIED...

Fine, but only after a conservative court has sat for about 40 years, so the perversion to the Constitution that has occurred in the interim can be fully addressed.

72 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:45 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: skeeter

Im trying to say that kids that are young do not grasp the idea of what jail and death is yet. All they see is TV and movies. If a 13 year old with a gun is going to shoot someone .. the last thing he/she is thinking about is "I might get introuble".. He/she already has the gun, loaded the gun.. i think prior to even picking up the gun.. if he/she thought they were going to go to jail they would have never picked it up in the first place.


73 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:55 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ (NJ demorat exterminator)
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To: kittymyrib

Nope. Kennedy.


74 posted on 03/01/2005 7:36:57 AM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
AMEN!! Those who agree with SCOTUS on this ruling need to be reminded Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine gunmen was 17. His partner was 18. SCOTUS says one could've been sentenced to death. The other, a maximum of life in prison.
75 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:13 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
We aren't talking about 10-year olds, but rather 16 and 17 year old teens.

If these teens have such a broad grasp on the full consequences of their actions, why shouldn't they be allowed to vote, have sex with adults, and abort their own kids without telling their parents?

Age of consent laws exist for a reason. There are always some mature 16 year olds who are equivalent to adults and iimmature 23 year olds who aren't. The law can't distinguish on that subjective basis, so it draws a line at 18. That line crosses all levels of jurisprudence that separate adults from kids. Before 18, a kid is an imperfect, under-mentalized human being, and should be treated as such.

Life in prison is nothing to sneeze at.
76 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:24 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: RobFromGa

I seriously doubt anyone who commits murder gives any thought to what the punishment will be if they get caught. The constitutional argument is the better one.


77 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:29 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
Not that I really like the idea of executing kid killers, but isn't that what state legislatures are for?

There you go with that right-wing stuff again.

78 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:31 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Next_Time_NJ

If you are not in favor of the death penalty for 15 year old "children," you need to study the activities of gangs and gang recruitment. It is common practice in DC for instance, for gangs to use younger members to carry out hits on opponents because they are rarely prosecuted beyond juvenile incarceration until majority. This decision will only expand the use of young contract and gang banger killers. Also, some gangs, like the Salvadoran gangs, use killings as an initiation rite.


79 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:31 AM PST by Truth29
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To: aynrandfreak

Can you really make a case for this case in terms of legislating from the bench? What does 'Cruel and Unusual Punishment' really mean? Isn't that something for judges to use contemporary community values on?


80 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:34 AM PST by Borges
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