Terri Schiavo's parents ask judge to let her divorce husband

The Miami Herald ^ | 2-28-05 | VICKIE CHACHERE

[Poohbah]

However, even if there were grounds, show me a state that ever allowed divorce by proxy.

Particularly when said proxy did not hold a valid power of attorney.

[Melas]

To clarify my last. All 50 states allow no fault divorce. 35 of those state are no fault only. The remaining 15 have no fault as an option.

[Future Useless Eater]

ahh.... but there is just as much heresay testimony that Terri WANTED a divorce, AND most likely told him so that night of her 'accident' ... as there is heresay testimony that she wanted to die instead of having a 'feeding tube'.

...NOW who is unwilling to treat both conditions the same way?

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....other things (to ALL), I have been spelling Brodersen wrong,
....and I stubled upon some old charts we did of glaring differences in court testimony regarding 'the accident'

Documented Terri-vocabulary references
Words	Witness
"mommy" "momma" "help me"	nurse - Heidi Law, certified nurse assistant
"pay"     (meaning 'pain'                 when she was in discomfort) 'Haaaiiiii'   (meaning Hi,                 in response to 'Hi Terri') 'mommy' 'help me'	Nurse - Carla Sauer Iyer, R.N. "'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times."
"stop"   (in response to one medical                 procedure being done on her)	Terri's MediPlex records
"ugh-hugh" (meaning yes) "ugh-ugh" (meaning no) "yea" "No"	family members, and paralegal Tom Brodersen* 'yea' was a word she learned to speak in 2002.     *(search for 'Brodersen' half-way down the article)
After Judge Greer heard of Tom Brodersen secretly helping Terri learn to speak again, Greer removed Brodersen from the "approved visitor's list" permanently!




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...THINGS LIKE the FOLLOWING are relevant again, now that DCF is FINALLY starting to do its job!

It seems to me that if a horribly BAD thing happened to MY loved one,
that VERY FIRST MOMENT that I saw her would be PERMANENTLY ETCHED in my brain...



Michael's changing memory of how he found his wife... and and what he DID...
St.Petersburg Police Department:02/25/90 Officer Brewer: Upon arrival, writer spoke with a firefighter/paramedic J.Radjeski. He stated he responded to the address for a medical emergency. They found a subject in question (Theresa) lying face down and unconscious halfway in and halfway out of a bathroom.	p98 of MS Depo Med Mal 07/27/92    2  Q   When you saw her, how was she lying; in other    3  words, on her back or --    4  A   On her back.	M Schiavo Direct Test 01/24/00 p38 17 I ran out into the hall and I found Terri on the   18 floor.  I knelt down next to her and I turned her   19 over because she sort of fell on her face.  On her   20 stomach and face.	CNN LARRY KING LIVE Interview With Michael Schiavo Aired October 27, 2003 - 21:00   ET   SCHIAVO: ... I race out there and Terri was laying in the hall. I went down to get her. I thought, Well, maybe she just tripped or whatever. I rolled her over and she was lifeless. And it almost seems like she had this last breath.

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[P.O.E.]

I have the feeling you are correct. I'm guessing hubby is in a hurry for two reasons: his ladyfriend and the fear of what Terry'd reveal if she regained speech.

[gopheraj]

Good!!! I can not understand that Greer doesn't see (haw haw) that this can come back on him big time.

[sinkspur]

A Church anullment is also in order.

The Church cannot grant an annulment without a civil divorce. In addition, Terri would have to petition for the annulment.

[pollywog]

A Catholic annulment has no bearing on a civil divorce.

Cannot the Catholic Church dissolve Terri's marriage to Michael? Would that then be recognized by the civil courts?Maybe this is a stupid question, but putting it out there anyway.

[Halls]

If my husband cheated on me I might be able to forgive and go back to him, but if that affair created 2 children I'd be divorcing him right away and I'm sure most women would do the same!

[atruelady]

That is not what people meant. I think it was said in error.

As far as I know the state with the fastest divorce is Nevada...3 weeks.

Anyone know different?

What I think others on the board is saying is that there would be no problem getting a divorce of the basis of adultery, no "proof" to sift through.

Now, the adultery is a conflict of interest as her guardian and that is grounds for AUTOMATIC REMOVAL of the guardian.

I still say you live with your head in the sand. You don't see it, so it must not be true. You are no where NEAR being informed about this.

You are posting against veterans of this cause who have examined just about all there is on this case.

[Melas]

However I was thinking the other day that I would not like to see them divorce....I want to see Terri's parents gain full custody of her, full guardianship. A divorce would free Michael to marry his mistress.... A part of me would like to see Terri deny Jodi what Jodi has been waiting for for years!

I'm curious, but do the children of this union figure into this at all, or are they dismissible because you don't like the parents?

[TAdams8591]

Thanks. I did not know that!

[atruelady]

If someone does this to you or me, I sure won't see them in heaven.

[floriduh voter]

freeper spelling serves a porpoise. seriesly.

[lugsoul]

Your post says a lot - in particular your contention that I am "posting against veterans."

I'm not posting "against" anyone. I think the guy's claims are suspicious. But he might be telling the truth. And we have a thread full of "veterans" - typical of threads on this topic - who lambaste the judge for refusing to do things he has NO legal authority to do, like granting a divorce because her parents, who don't have the legal right to do so, asked for it. We also have people hear advocating perjury.

I suspect that most of you "veterans" wouldn't accept Michael's approach even if Terri had said exactly what he claims.

[sinkspur]

Cannot the Catholic Church dissolve Terri's marriage to Michael?

Not without a civil divorce.

Would that then be recognized by the civil courts?

Not likely, even if it were possible.

Maybe this is a stupid question, but putting it out there anyway.

It's not a stupid question, since there is a great deal of confusion about Catholic annulments.

[eeevil conservative]

I'm curious, but do the children of this union figure into this at all, or are they dismissible because you don't like the parents? I just want to clarify.... The way you say that- are saying that not wanting to see Jodi get her sleezy hands on the money that is supposed to HELP Terri would mean someone is DISMISSING Jodi's kids? TERRI is the one wronged here! Trying to defned Terri and keep the woman sleeping with her husband from getting rich and living high off of Terri's THERAPY money in no way even BEGINS to suggest ill will towards The kids of Terri's, Husband's Mistress... (wow- that last sentence paints a real good picture of just how demented this ENTIRE case is.) Judge Greer is DISPICABLE!

[Halls]

Give me a break Melas, the kids are as much victims in all of this as they have terrible parents. But this case isn't about those kids as they will live, it is about Terri!

[Future Useless Eater]

...I nominate this one for famous F.R. bloopers, like 'series' and 'hugh'!

other famous 'cereal' killers...

[nicmarlo]

Michael doesn't have a piece of paper stating that Terri wished to have the tubes pulled. (Common sense would err on the side of caution, therefore, absent a document stating such, Terri should be treated as at least equal to the prisoners in Abu Gharib; or animals in an animal shelter.)

And Judge Greer doesn't have a piece of paper stating that Terri would want a divorce from the man who is adulterously living with another woman, having children with that woman. (Common sense would tell me that she would, however.)

Judge Greer does, however, have a piece of paper, called a deposition, from the 1992 civil court hearings, wherein Michael Schavio stated HE WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF TERRI FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, and because of his "clear and convincing" testimony, Michael and Terri were awarded $1.2 million so that Michael could take care of Terri for the rest of HIS life. Michael Schaivo did not say, during that court hearing that Terri wouldn't want to live the way she's living (she's been living worse since Michael received the money to take care of her).

[Sun]

TAdams8591 says: "The court is going to STARVE this woman to death based on the hearsay of a passing comment (and no documantation). Well, there are also witness(es) who testified that Terri was talking about a divorce, right before her supposed "collapse."
The court cannot have it both ways!!!!!!!"

That's a great point. Apparently Judge Greer only chooses heresay that supports death.