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Posted on 02/28/2005 7:08:08 AM PST by floriduh voter
Terri's Freepers,
Judge George Greer denied Terri's parents' Motion for a Stay to protect their daughter's life while there are still pending issues in this LIFE AND DEATH MATTER. In addition the Department of Children and Family Services made a surprise visit to the court hearing the other day and asked Judge Greer if they could approach the bench. Judge Greer denied DCF the opportunity to speak. DCF asked for 60 days to conduct a complete investigation of allegations that have surfaced in the form of a Complaint to their agency.
What was set in motion instead? On Friday, February 25th, Judge Greer REFUSED TO issue another Stay because he was "not comfortable" issuing a say to protect a Ward of the State but instead "set a date certain" (on his calendar at least, not on mine) to BEGIN THE BARBARIC, ANTI-AMERICAN, STARVATION-DEHYDRATION SLOW MURDER OF TERRI.
Attorney Gibbs for Terri's parents held a press conference after J. Greer's order that was so tastefully written to indicate that "he was giving the Schindlers until March 18th so they could "prepare for Last Rites." Attorneys Gibbs called this ruling and prior rulings "Hitler-resque". Indeed.
If Judge Greer wasn't LEGALIZING EUTHANASIA in his courtroom, why any need for Last Rites? Greer's urgency to fulfill this killing places urgency on every one of us to lobby Governor Bush, Florida's House and Florida's Senate.
A Judge in America is ordering the manner of someone's death, a disabled woman who is healthy but needs rehabilitation.
Time is short so we don't really have time to get into Greer's mind to see why he is Florida's Til of the Hun.
What can we do?
1. LOBBY TO SAVE TERRI
2. HELP BUMP THIS THREAD.
3. POST ARTICLES YOU SEE ABOUT TERRI.
4. VISIT PINELLAS COUNTY FLORIDA AND VIGIL WITH US AT HOSPICE WOODSIDE.
5. VISIT TALLAHASSEE AND LOBBY IN THE HALLS OF THE LEGISLATURE.
6. HOLD A DEMONSTRATION AT THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION.
7. Join the Message Board that freepers started at the Crystal Cathedral/Hour of Power. TELL YOUR CHURCH ABOUT TERRI.
8. Tell your friends that Terri is alert and aware of her surroundings and to visit www.terrisfight.org to see her videos.
9. PETITIONS. We will gather current Petitions here for you. At this time, you can sign a SAVE TERRI PETITION AT www.renewamerica.us. THERE ARE ALSO IMPEACH GREER PETITIONS ABOUT.
Finally, the Pope has no Living Will. He will be SAFE as long as he stays away from George Greer's courtroom. The Pope is in our thoughts and prayers and he knows of Terri. He wants Terri to be freed from oppression and from a painless death by starvation-dehyration.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO EVERY DAY, THE PAY ISN'T VERY GOOD BUT THE FRINGE BENEFITS ARE THE GREATEST. You are Great Americans and liberty is Terri's and freedom from oppression. Freepers, that is the big payoff if we continue our daunting task.
Terri's family is grateful to you and all of your prayers are being heard by the Giver of Life.
This is Terri's Fight and the battle is enjoined. JOIN US TO SAVE TERRI FROM FORCES THAT HAVE BUT ONE GOAL THAT IS AGAINST EVERYTHING AMERICAN.
GUIDELINES: If you want to start frivolous discussions, please start your own thread in chat.
If you like something from www.theempirejournal.com, please do not post the entire article at Free Republic. Unless I hear otherwise, I believe that we are allowed to post the title and link. TEJ is a great team member of Terri's network. Thanks, TEJ for making a difference and for getting the truth out there.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR CONTACT INFO, IT IS ON THE WAY. Thanks, floriduh voter
Three medical professionals who had cared for Terri in the past filed affidavits accompanying the lawsuit, disputing Michael Schiavo's claims that his wife was in a "Persistent Vegetative State," which is the requirement under Florida law for a feeding tube to be removed. The medical experts also chronicled a long history of alleged denial of care and therapy by Schiavo.
Carolyn Johnson, a Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA), cared for Terri in a nursing home in the early 1990s. She described her shock at being ordered not to provide the same care for Terri as a patient in the same room with a similar brain injury was receiving.
"I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri," Johnson explained. "Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri's hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this, as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation."
Another CNA, Heidi Law, cared for Terri at a convalescent center in the mid and late 1990s. Law described similar orders she received not to encourage Mrs. Schiavo's recovery.
"I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out," Law alleged in her affidavit. "Even though they were ordered, Michael [Schiavo] would stop them. Michael [Schiavo] ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy."
Law also alleged that her attempts to document Terri's potential for improvement were thwarted.
"I made extensive notes and listed all of Terri's behaviors, but there was never any apparent follow-up consistent with her responsiveness," Law said. "There were trash cans at the nurses stations that we were supposed to empty each shift, and I often saw the notes in them."
Law directly disputes Michael Schiavo's claim that Terri is in a Persistent Vegetative State, as well. In her affidavit, she detailed how she routinely provided Terri with a wet washcloth filled with ice chips to keep her mouth moistened and, on at least three occasions, fed Terri flavored gelatin.
"I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag. [Another CAN] and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy," Law recalled. "On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jell-O, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely."
Nurse recalls Schiavo asking, 'When is that bitch gonna die?'
Carla Sauer Iyer was a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) at the same convalescent center in the mid 1990s, and also cared for Terri. She described Mr. Schiavo as being "focused on Terri's death.
"Michael [Schiavo] would say, 'When is she going to die? Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch going to die?'" Iyer charged. "Other statements which I recall him making include, 'Can't anything be done to accelerate her death, won't she ever die?' When she wouldn't die, Michael [Schiavo] would be furious."
Conversely, Iyer said that when she would have to call Schiavo to inform him of a downturn in Terri's condition, Schiavo would be elated.
"Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die," Iyer recalled. "He would blurt out, 'I'm going to be rich,' and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat and going to Europe, among other things."
Iyer also described incidents of Terri Schiavo talking, moving voluntarily and responding to external stimuli, descriptions that Iyer said were removed from Mrs. Schiavo's medical records. Both Law and Iyer reported Terri verbally communicating, also contradicting Michael Schiavo's claim that his wife was in a Persistent Vegetative State.
"During the time I cared for Terri, she formed words. I have heard her say 'mommy' from time to time, and 'momma,'" Law recalled. "She also said 'help me' a number of times."
Iyer described Terri as "alert and oriented," and said Michael Schiavo "systematically distorted" Terri's medical condition.
"Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as 'mommy' and 'help me,'" Iyer recalled. "'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times."
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PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO THOSE WHO HAVE ANY DOUBTS ABOUT MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S HUMANITY OR DOUBT THAT HIS MISSION HAS ALWAYS BEEN HER DEATH!!!!!
Prayers for sweet, innocent, long-suffering beautiful Terri!
That would be SO nice, but they don't seem to view it that way.
In the meantime, cyn has posted a prayer thread for Terri.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1355143/posts
I'm gonna guess either Cheryl or Pamela!
Wow!!! Can we get a BIMBO alert for that woman? Somebody who has some good skills with pictures, please make me a BIMBO alert sign! How do people with so little make it day after day? I'm going to add Joelle Tisch to my prayer list! Prayers especially for knowledge, and then wisdom to understand the knowledge!
I wonder why the Schindler's previous attorney didn't jump on this? I like Gibbs III. He'll leave no stone unturned.
P.S. The Schindler attorney said when she quit that she was glad she wouldn't have to roll this stone uphill anymore - referring to Terri as a stone, I guess. I was very offended by that!!!
Thank you for contacting Governor Bush to ask for his help in the case of Terri Schiavo. He has asked me to respond on his behalf.
The Governor shares your concern for this young woman and has pledged to do whatever he can within the laws of Florida to protect her life. The next few weeks will be very difficult ones for Ms. Schiavo, her family and all of those who care about her. The Governor asks that you keep her and her family in your prayers during this difficult time.
Again, thank you for writing Governor Bush about this important issue.
Sincerely,
L. OConnor
Office of Citizens Services
I received the same message. Did you see the "From"/"To" ? Was it like what I received----
----- Original Message -----
From: Governor Jeb Bush
To: Governor Jeb Bush
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: Regarding the case of Terii Schiavo
I was just thinking about that comment a little while ago. It bothered me too. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt and believe that she was profoundly exhausted and frustrated.
I think that it's hard to put ourselves in Pat Anderson's position. The Schindlers were blind-sided when Felos first started representing Michael. Everything was a chase after that. It still is.
FWIW, I think Greer has an especial dislike for Ms. Anderson. He never respected her, probably because of some personal bias about her. It wasn't in Terri's best interest for her to continue, and she struggled long and hard for the Schindlers. She did a lot of the dirty work that no one wanted to do.
I also think her comment about that stone was not referring to Terri, but rather her butting heads against Felos and Greer. She would never have referred to Terri as a stone, ever! Terri wasn't a burden to her.
Yes. It was a mass email. They must have been inundated with email. :)
CAN THEY DEFEND THEMSELVES?
KEN KESEY
author of
ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOOS NEST
DISCUSSES THE VALUE OF LIFE
Excerpts from An Impolite interview with Ken Kesey by
Paul Krassner, Editor of The Realist (Vol. 90, Dec.71)
Q. Since youre against abortion, doesnt that put you in the position of saying that a girl or a woman must bear an unwanted child as punishment for ignorance or carelessness?
A. In as I feel abortions to be probably the worst worm in the philosophy, a worm bound in time to the righteousness and life from the work we are engaged in, I want to take this slowly and carefully. This is the story of Fredddy Schrimpler:
As part of his training, a psychiatric aide must spend at least two weeks working in the geriatric wards. These wards are concrete barns built, not for attempted cures or even for attempted treatments of the herds of terminal humanity that would otherwise be roaming the streets, drooling and disgusting the healthy citizenry, but for nothing more than shelter and sustenance, waiting rooms where the old guys spend ten, twenty, sometimes thirty years waiting for their particular opening in the earth. At eight in the morning they are herded and wheeled into showers, then to Day Rooms where they are fed a toothless goo, then are plunked into sofas ripe with decades of daily malfunctions of worn-out sphincters, then fed again, and washed again, and their temperatures taken if they are still warm enough to register, and their impacted bowels dug free in the case of sphincters worn-out in the other direction, and their hair and cheesy old fingernails clipped (the clippings swept into a little pink and grey pile), and fed again and washed again, and then usually left alone through the long afternoons.
Even the Doctors Call Them Vegetables
Some of these derelicts still have a lot going and enjoy trapping flies and other such morsels in the snare of their baited hands, and some engage in contented garrulous conversations with practically anything, and some watch TV, but most of them lie motionless on the plastic covered sofas or on the gurney beds, little clots of barely breathing bones and skin under the government sheets. Even the doctors call them vegetables.
Let Them Die!
In caring for these men something becomes immediately obvious to all the young aids undergoing their first real brush with responsibility. The thought is very explicit. After the first meal is squeezed into a slack mouth, or after the first diaper change or catheter tapping, every one of the trainees have thought this thought, and some have spoken it:
Without our help these guys would die.
And, after the hundredth feeding and diapering and changing, the next thought, though never spoken is: Why dont we just let them die?
An awful question to find in your head, because even young aids know that age can happen to anyone. This could I someday be! But even fear of ones own future cant stop the asking: Why dont we just let them die? Whats wrong with letting nature take its own corpse? Why do humans feel they have the right to forestall the inevitable fate of others? Freddy Schrimpler helped me find my answer:
Freddy was 70 or 80 years old and had been on the Geriatrics Ward for close to twenty years. From morning until bedtime he lay in the Dayroom in a gurney bed against the wall, on his side under a sheet; his little head covered with a faint gossamer that seemed too delicate to be human hair it looked more like a fungus mycilium joining the head to the pillow and his mouth drooling a continual puddle at his cheek. Only his eyes moved, pale and bright blue they followed the activity in the ward like little caged birds. The only sound he made was a muffled squeaking back in his throat when he had dirtied his sheets and, since his bowels were unusually impacted, like most of the inmates who couldnt move, this sound was made but rarely and even then seemed to exhaust him for hours.
One afternoon, as I made my rounds to probe with rectal thermometer at the folds of wasted glutious maximus of these gurney bed specimens hospital policy made it clear that the temperature of anything breathing, even vegetables, had to be logged once a month I heard this stifled squeak. The squeak came again, slower, and sounding remarkably like speech! I moved closer to the pink and toothless mouth, feeling his breath at my ear. In the days that followed I brought my ear to that mouth as often as the nurses let me get away with it. He told me his story. A stroke years ago had suddenly clipped all the wires leading from the brain to the body. He found that while he could hear and see perfectly, he couldnt send anything back out to the visitors that dropped by his hospital bed more and more infrequently. Finally they sent him to the VA, to this ward where, after years of effort, he had learned to make his little squeak. Sure, the doctors and nurses knew he could talk, but they were too busy to shoot the breeze and didnt really think he should exhaust himself by speaking. So he was left on his gurney to drift alone in his rudderless vessel with his short-wave unable to send. He wasnt crazy, in fact the only difference that I could see between Freddy and Buddha was in the incline of their lotus position. As I got to know him I spoke of the young aides thoughts.
Let a man die for his own good? he squeaked, incredulous. Never believe it. When a man when anything is ready to stop living it stops. You watch
Before I left the ward, two of the vegetables died. They stopped eating and died, as though a decision of the whole being was reached and nothing man or medicine could do would turn this decision. As though the decision was cellularly unanimous. (I remember a friend telling me about her attempted suicide; she lay down and placed a rag soaked in carbon tetrachloride over her face. But just before she went out completely there was a sudden clamor from all the rest of her: Hey! Wait! What about us? Why werent we consulted? And being a democratic girl at heart she rallied over minds presumptuous choice. Our mind has no right to kill our body, she told me after the attempt. Not on the grounds of boredom, anyway and met with the satisfaction of all concerned.)
Right To Life Defended
Punishment of unwed mothers? Care of neither the old or the young can be considered to be punishment for the able, not even the care of the un-dead old or the un-born young. These beings, regardless not only of race, creed and color but as well of size, situation or ability, must be treated as equals and their rights to life defended! Can they defend themselves?
You Are You From Conception
You are you from conception, and that never changes no matter what physical changes your body takes. And the virile sport in the Mustang driving to work with his muscular forearm tanned and ready for a days labor has not one microgram more right to his inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than has a three months fetus riding in a sack of water or the vegetable rotting for twenty years in a gurney bed. Whos to know the value and extent of anothers trip? How can we assume that the world through the windshield of that Mustang is any more rich or holy or even sane than the world before those pale blue eyes?
Abortion Is Fascism
How can abortion be anything but fascism again, back as a fad in a new intellectual garb with a new and more helpless victim?
I swear to you, Paul, that abortions are a terrible karmic bummer, and to support them except in cases where it is a bona fide toss-up between the child and the mothers life is to harbor a worm of discrepancy.
Q. Well, thats really eloquent and mistypoo, but suppose Faye were raped and became pregnant in the process?
A. Nothing is changed. You dont plow under the corn because the seed was planted with a neighbors shovel.
Q. I assume that would be her decision though?
A. Almost certainly. But I dont really feel right speaking for her. Why dont you phone and ask?
(Krassner phones Faye Kesey in Oregon and reviews the dialogue. She asks: Now, whats the question if I were raped, would I get an abortion? That about sums it up. No, I wouldnt.)
Q. But would she marry the rapist to give the child a name? What would you have done in my place before abortion was legalized and someone with an unwanted pregnancy came to you for help, and you knew of a safe doctor as an alternative to some back-alley butcher/
A. I have been in your place and done what you did. I think now not just because of religious stands but of what happened to the girls heads as a result that I did a great disservice because I was being asked for more than money or the name of a guy in Tiajuana. In the last few years, when asked the question, Ive found myself able to talk the women out of it. I could have talked them out of it back then as well. There are girls with kids coming and no old man to carry his share of the load. Women sense far better than a man what the bearing and raising of a child means in terms of a lifetime commitment. It all comes down to a pact of support first, how can he blame the woman for pulling out hers? Next time youre asked to choose between hygiene and a back-alley butcher, Paul, try choosing instead against both possibilities and for life instead.
[This article was originally published in pamphlet form by the National Youth Pro-Life Coalition, Hasting-on-Hudson, N.Y.]
See above post!
I think the former Schindler attorney was referring to Greer. She came out and told him he was biased and she tried to get him to recuse himself....she fought hard and Greer ignored her.
good to hear! My emails have not been acknowledged or returned so I know they got them
It is sad. There are many jews, very sensitive to the holocaust who consider themselves vigilant regarding another such holocaust occurring here in America, who don't see the parallels of abortion and euthanasaia to the holocaust.
I should have checked my email before I responded... I also have an email from Governor Bush ack. my email... I bet thousands received this today!
Thank you for the clarification!
I got the same letter from the gov.
I copied your post about Stanley into an email to send to everyone I have an address for. I added my question: "IS THIS ROUTINE CARE FROM HOSPICE? Terri Schiavo has been in a Hospice facility for years. She is NOT dying. Her husband and the hospice want to stop her food and water."
15 days left...
http://www.catholic-pages.com/hierarchy/cardinals_list.asp
The top 9 Cardinals need to be contacted . I already emailed the Pope and Vatican, trying to find these 9 Cardinal Bishops email infromation. Does anybody out-there know how to get there email addresses ? or Fax number ?
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