Posted on 02/26/2005 1:27:31 PM PST by srm913
Republican disowns lesbian daughter
Gary Younge Saturday February 26, 2005
Guardian When the leading Republican and rightwing pundit Alan Keyes was asked what he thought of Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of the US vice-president, he called her "a selfish hedonist". If his own daughter came out as a lesbian, said Mr Keyes, he would say the same thing.
So when Mr Keyes' only daughter, Maya Marcel-Keyes, declared herself a "liberal queer" at a public rally he lived up to his word. Her parents turned her out of their house, broke off all communication and stopped paying her university tuition fees.
Ms Keyes told a rally supporting gay young people in Maryland: "We have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it seems like everything in the world is turning against them, like everyone in the world is rejecting them, that they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, 'I care'."
Ms Keyes joins a list of gay people with rightwing relatives, including Mary Cheney and Candace Gingrich, the sister of Republican congressman Newt Gingrich. But Mr Keyes, a darling of the religious right, has been more outspoken on the issue than most.
Ms Keyes says her parents were "not too pleased" when she came out. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well."
Her older brother has offered her somewhere to stay and she has been given a scholarship to continue at college.
"My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities," Mr Keyes said in a statement.
Ms Keyes says she loves her parents and "totally understands" their position.
You are either too dumb or you are simply being dishonest. Try it again, but be honest this time.
You said this about Maya Keyes: She was appearing IN PUBLIC; she was a public figure.
Because you are continuing to completely miss the point, I will try to help you again. The obvious meaning, (in context) of what I said was, Maya Keyes was not a PUBLIC HOMOSEXUAL. Mary Cheney was a PUBLIC HOMOSEXUAL which is why the REPORTER named her. Maya had not CHOSEN to come OUT the way that Mary Cheney had; got it?
Now since you are being purposefully obtuse, I will give you another chance to be honest.
When Maya decided to come out as a PUBLIC HOMOSEXUAL, making her no longer private homosexual, Alan kicked her out. He did not say, "Now that my daughter has decided that she is going to remain unrepentant and instead she has gone public with her sexual sin, I Alan Keyes now say that homosexuality is no longer SIN, but it is now good and acceptable."
If you paid attention you would know that his own daughter said that he called her sin the same thing as Mary Cheney's, that is called not being a hypocrite. He applies his definition consistantly, not hypocritically. If they are public, he is free to be public. If they are private, he is under no obligation to make them public.
I know you can understand the difference, I made it real, real simple for you. But you will once again pretend you do not see the difference and you will once again harden your heart to the truth of the matter and spew some more mindless emotion.
Just like Bill Clinton, you will continue to deny the truth or feign ignorance and blame someone else for your inability to speak truthfully.
Not the way you tell it, I'm not; it's indistinquishable from fantasy.
And I'm not reading the rest of your posts; it's boilerplate straight from Keyes' office.
Howlin, did you read the posts that contain the quotes from Maya Keyes? She answered your main objections - approximately post number 435.
Until Maya "came out," she believes that her parents didn't believe that she is gay. So, the response to the reporter about Mary Cheney happened months before she acted in such a way as to make them believe her.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ambassador was surprised and spoke more harshly after the question than he would have if he had it to do again. I hope that Ambassador Keyes has time to consult with PC script writers the next time he is blindsided by a reporter.
I don't care; I only know that he knew she might be gay when he trashed Mary Cheney.
Mr Keyes did not declare his daughter "null and void." read her comments as posted around #435.
You actually said:
If I suspected my child of being a murderer, yet I got up and pointed my finger at your child and called them a murderer without bothering to mention that mine might be...
Please take a beginner's class in reasoning or logic.
If you were asked if a confessed murderer is a murder, there is nothing wrong with saying yes.
If you suspect your child of MURDER, which is a prosecutable CRIME, that is not in the same category of homosexuality, which is no longer a crime, by judicial decision in most states.
You once again freely mixed apples and oranges.
If your child is a murderer (or you have a compelling reason to believe they are), you are obligated by law to report this to the authorities. Even if you did not report them, you could still say that murder is wrong.
You could not say that someone else is a lawbreaker, guilty of harboring a fugitive, and you are not, if you were both guilty of harboring a fugitive. That would be hypocritical.
No one is under obligation to OUT their son or daughter of a sexual sin, especially when they might still repent and choose to keep it private.
Nice try, but your logic problem failed you again.
And I'm not reading the rest of your posts; it's boilerplate straight from Keyes' office.
So much anger!
He did not trash anyone - he made a definition, he stuck with the definition regardless of the person accused. The *reporter* mentioned names, not Dr. Keyes, as Keyes walked away.
Besides, it appears that the actual break was over politics - the event which ended Ms Keye's employment and the apartment that was a perk, and her parent's tuition payments was not a gay pride day, it wasn't a Log Cabin Republican meeting:
It was an anti-Bush rally on inauguration day.
I think the point might be that most people with good political instincts have enough tact and are quick-thinking enough not to allow themselves to be led into such traps.
I think that Ambassador Keyes is extremely bright and quick-thinking, so my only conclusion would be that either he does not have good political instincts, or he chooses to be controversial rather than use them.
Or perhaps he realized, correctly, that he would get more publicity out of the less tactful and arguably more offensive statement.
That was the way I read the account as well. And the way I read the account was that Maya Keyes did not "come out" until after she'd been fired and evicted, unless one counts her blog.
Of course, I can understand that she'd be fired for that, because it's totally against her father's politics and what he's working for, but...
It sort of puts the lie to the story that he did it for her moral good and because he's so principled, doesn't it?
No, it was the first move she made to make her opinions public. And to prove to her parents that she disagreed with them.
Was the blog ongoing at the time of the inauguration or before?
The blog was ongoing during the campaign, in fact it was made public right after Keyes made the remarks about Mary Cheney.
Just found it and spent some time reading. The child makes me sad. I know so many girls and boys like her as patients. The spin is always down and they don't seem to see the pattern or the cause. So sad.
Exposing an anonymous blog, even one with so much personally identifiable information was cruel.
That's apparent.
The Bible is clear, you can't compromise your values for the sake of a defiant sinner even if it's family.
Thanks for the bible lesson.
If his daughter was sleeping with a man out of wedlock and admitted it in public, you think Keyes would have done the same thing?
How about if she coveted her friends car?
Maybe he would have, but I doubt it. We can only speculate.
Move to the head of the class.
Oh wait. You're already there. : )
Christians need to publicly oppose and condemn the homosexual 'movement today because it is being promoted so shamelessly in public. It has large networks of unrepentant hedonists promoting it. It has days devoted to publicly exhibitting how proud you are to be a participant in this particular sin. It facillitates the destruction of people though many physical ailments including AIDs (a behavior disease). It has public lobbying groups acting to promote this particular sin as a good and proud way to live.
I would vehemently oppose adulterer's pride day, and the adulterer's pride parade, but there is not yet such an event.
I would vehemently oppose the rapist's pride day and the rapist's pride parade, but there is no such thing.
Only one sin has a parade in celebration of pride in that sin. It has flocks of followers who work endlessly to promote that particular sin.
I don't think you could be more wrong about that. I am not concerned with political correctness, and I would venture a guess that Howlin and Amelia aren't either.
I am a Bible-believing born-again Christian. I recognize homosexuality as sin, in the same way I recognize heterosexual sin.
I am also of the mind that ministry does not always require fighting and bludgeoning people. I have no fear of confrontation (as many here will testify), but I don't believe it's always the best tool to lead someone who is struggling with sin to the Lord. I have no problem with Keyes identifying homosexuality as "selfish hedonism"; I do wish he had the wisdom not to personalize his remarks, particularly when his own daughter is engaged in the same behavior Mary Cheney is.
After all, we're all sinners. Even Alan Keyes.
Nope, I call them like I see them, when Keyes did his retribution for slavery fiasco I was all over him. But in this case, Mr. Keyes is right on the truth and I back him 100%. You can't broadbrush this issue like you just did.
What...Keyes whips it out in public? Anita Hill? Is that you?
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