Better leave me alone, Newbie. I'm protected.
Posted on 02/26/2005 1:27:31 PM PST by srm913
Republican disowns lesbian daughter
Gary Younge Saturday February 26, 2005
Guardian When the leading Republican and rightwing pundit Alan Keyes was asked what he thought of Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of the US vice-president, he called her "a selfish hedonist". If his own daughter came out as a lesbian, said Mr Keyes, he would say the same thing.
So when Mr Keyes' only daughter, Maya Marcel-Keyes, declared herself a "liberal queer" at a public rally he lived up to his word. Her parents turned her out of their house, broke off all communication and stopped paying her university tuition fees.
Ms Keyes told a rally supporting gay young people in Maryland: "We have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it seems like everything in the world is turning against them, like everyone in the world is rejecting them, that they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, 'I care'."
Ms Keyes joins a list of gay people with rightwing relatives, including Mary Cheney and Candace Gingrich, the sister of Republican congressman Newt Gingrich. But Mr Keyes, a darling of the religious right, has been more outspoken on the issue than most.
Ms Keyes says her parents were "not too pleased" when she came out. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well."
Her older brother has offered her somewhere to stay and she has been given a scholarship to continue at college.
"My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities," Mr Keyes said in a statement.
Ms Keyes says she loves her parents and "totally understands" their position.
Stop the petty comments and baiting and nothing will be said.
Have a very pleasant evening. Bye.
You've made some pretty friggin' petty comments yourself there, sport, and you can bait with the best of 'em. Don't sell yourself short.
Bye to you, too.
LOL
Better leave me alone, Newbie. I'm protected.
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That's not true. Life is full of choices. He made one. There are others.
No one here is qualified to judge his actions right or wrong. But there are other choices, and I personally would have made a different one.
I would submit that neither can "conservatives".
Such an insult reflects thinking that is about an inch deep. In your lexicon "tough love" is not love at all.
No, actually i would submit that the homo obsessed are.
I assume that's unless the sin affects you directly?
You shouldn't assume, you aren't good at assuming the correct thing.
I bet you didn't even mind when Clinton was having sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky...or even when he sinned by lying under oath about it.
Don't take up gambling, you are no better at it than at assuming.
I guess why worry about any sin since we are all sinnners.
Guessing ain't your strong suit either.
No one is wrong since everyone is wrong?
Asking questions seems to be weak for you as well.
That theory really can't stand up to a 2 minute logic test.
Is it your theory? 'Cause it sure ain't mine. Your batting average so far is,,,,,,,,zero.
Truth is not unloving. Trying to raise up a child in the way she should go is not unloving. It's essential. Some wrongs are worse and more dangerous than others. Enabling a destructive sin by being too timid to speak the truth is not love.
Well, finally something you excel at, you seem to have a stranglehold on the obvious!!!!
LOL!
I personally don't see any other option how a father honors his relationship with his Lord and Savior while at the same time tolerates a defiant lesbian daughter who proclaims that relationship a mockery by her public embrace of perversion. The Bible is clear, you can't compromise your values for the sake of a defiant sinner even if it's family.
It sounds like Keyes apparently tried to deal with her lesbianism differently privately but once he realized she was committed to the lifestyle by her outing herself then he was forced to deal with her the way you must deal with the homo agenda.
She could've indulged in her perversion quietly, why do you think she felt the need to proclaim herself in the public arena, she must've known it would cause a ruckus like this on freerepublic and elsewhere.
Because he had a rebellious daughter?
What you are suggesting is that if a man has certain moral principles, he should either allow his privately rebellious daughter to dictate what he says in public when applying those same moral principles.
Keyes daughter was not yet OUT and the Keyes parents had not accepted that she was going to remain unrepentant with her sexual sin.
Mary Cheney however was OUT and her moral life was already a known issue, which is why the reporter asked the question.
What you are suggesting is that Keyes must not answer directly and truthfully about homosexuality (using the definition he had just given), until he OUTS his daughter.
Since all women are someone's daughter, you are suggesting that he cannot comment on homosexuality involving any women unless he first OUTS his daughter.
You have ranted about how much you despise him, but your reshuffling of Keyes consistant position is one big logical flaw.
Keyes would only have been a hypocrite if he had told his own daughter that sexual sin was good and acceptable, and that she did not need to repent, while saying that all other homosexuals were selfish and hedonistic and in need of repentance.
Instead he told his own daughter (who was not yet OUT and politically active) that homosexuality is wrong, hedonistic and selfish, which is EXACTLY what he applied to any other homosexual including Mary Cheney.
No, because all he did was prove himself to be whatever thought already -- that he's a hyprocrite.
And stop trying to say we wanted him to expose his daughter. Either you're too dense to understand it, or you don't want to, so I'll put it in language you can understand:
We don't think he should have named ANYBODY'S daughter, but he chose to name Mary Cheney at the same time he hid his own daughter's lesbianism.
He's a hyprocrite.
First, Alan Keyes is not the one who brought up Mary Cheney, nor did he name her, the reporter did because she was already a public homosexual, public by choice. If she had kept it private she would not have been named by the reporter.
Again, Mary Cheney was a public figure who had given herself over publicly by choice to a life of public homosexuality. When she outed herself and became a public figure as a homosexual, she no longer was a PRIVATE figure.
On the other hand, Maya Keyes had not chosen to go public with her choice of homosexuality. The Keyes family still hoped she would repent, just as they should hope.
Keyes was under no obligation whatsoever to OUT his daughter or keep silent on the matter if it involved someone who went public by choice.
In case you still cannot think logically, you can apply it this way. Now that Maya Keyes is out, Alan Keyes should apply the same definition to his daughter as he does to any other public homosexual, when applying it strictly to that area of life. If he does not do so, he is then a hypocrite, but your assessment of what transpired is neither correct or logical. Instead it is purely mindless emotion.
It bears repeating that your position would require him to first OUT his own daughter or allow her to dictate his spoken moral position by causing him to keep quiet about his view of the sin of homosexuality. Read his daughter's own words and you will see that he told her homosexuality was a horrible sin, the same standard he applies to all homosexuals. If they are public about their homosexuality, he has no obligation to pretend they are private about their homosexuality.
You are right, of course.
Once an honest person reads enough of these people's posts, he can see them for what they are; eventually, he will shake the dust from his feet.
Still, even on threads like these, it's heartening to see the defense of righteousness and the good in most folk's hearts. I think this makes God well pleased. And that's what truly counts. :-)
What a bunch of unadulterated HORSE$HIT. Talk about having trouble with logic, if you couldn't twist yours, you'd have nothing to argue about.
If I suspected my child of being a murderer, yet I got up and pointed my finger at your child and called them a murderer without bothering to mention that mine might be, I'd be a Class A hypocrite.
Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
- hypocrite adjective
He was not required to involve ANYBODY personally; all he had to do was say, "I'm not going to talk about specific people."
That would have been the gracious thing to do.
That would have been the decent thing to do.
That would have been the honest thing to do.
That would have been the Christian thing to do.
Why can't you just admit that the good and proper thing to do was to NOT take the bait and just not respond to that question?
But he didn't do that; he jumped on another man's daughter, while committing the sin of omission, to make cheap political points. Shameful.
BTW, Maya Keyes was dragging all over Illinois with her father when he well knew she was a lesbian. She was appearing IN PUBLIC; she was a public figure. Why didn't he mention it then?
And yet he ONLY threw her out when she appeared at an anti-ingurual rally. As long as he needed her to complete the perfect family man picture, it was fine that she "may" be a lesbian.
I'll give you this though: your rationalizion of Keyes' actions should scare the ever living hell out of Bill Clinton, et al.; you've managed to out do them in the parsing category.
Geez, get over your sanctimonious self.
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