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To: Howlin
I can see that you have a real problem with logic and with the definition of hyposcrisy.

First, Alan Keyes is not the one who brought up Mary Cheney, nor did he name her, the reporter did because she was already a public homosexual, public by choice. If she had kept it private she would not have been named by the reporter.

Again, Mary Cheney was a public figure who had given herself over publicly by choice to a life of public homosexuality. When she outed herself and became a public figure as a homosexual, she no longer was a PRIVATE figure.

On the other hand, Maya Keyes had not chosen to go public with her choice of homosexuality. The Keyes family still hoped she would repent, just as they should hope.

Keyes was under no obligation whatsoever to OUT his daughter or keep silent on the matter if it involved someone who went public by choice.

In case you still cannot think logically, you can apply it this way. Now that Maya Keyes is out, Alan Keyes should apply the same definition to his daughter as he does to any other public homosexual, when applying it strictly to that area of life. If he does not do so, he is then a hypocrite, but your assessment of what transpired is neither correct or logical. Instead it is purely mindless emotion.

It bears repeating that your position would require him to first OUT his own daughter or allow her to dictate his spoken moral position by causing him to keep quiet about his view of the sin of homosexuality. Read his daughter's own words and you will see that he told her homosexuality was a horrible sin, the same standard he applies to all homosexuals. If they are public about their homosexuality, he has no obligation to pretend they are private about their homosexuality.

797 posted on 02/28/2005 10:18:36 PM PST by John Scopes (No longer just an ACLU pawn.)
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To: John Scopes

You are right, of course.

Once an honest person reads enough of these people's posts, he can see them for what they are; eventually, he will shake the dust from his feet.

Still, even on threads like these, it's heartening to see the defense of righteousness and the good in most folk's hearts. I think this makes God well pleased. And that's what truly counts. :-)


798 posted on 02/28/2005 10:36:51 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: John Scopes
Keyes was under no obligation whatsoever to OUT his daughter or keep silent on the matter if it involved someone who went public by choice.

What a bunch of unadulterated HORSE$HIT. Talk about having trouble with logic, if you couldn't twist yours, you'd have nothing to argue about.

If I suspected my child of being a murderer, yet I got up and pointed my finger at your child and called them a murderer without bothering to mention that mine might be, I'd be a Class A hypocrite.

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
- hypocrite adjective

He was not required to involve ANYBODY personally; all he had to do was say, "I'm not going to talk about specific people."

That would have been the gracious thing to do.

That would have been the decent thing to do.

That would have been the honest thing to do.

That would have been the Christian thing to do.

Why can't you just admit that the good and proper thing to do was to NOT take the bait and just not respond to that question?

But he didn't do that; he jumped on another man's daughter, while committing the sin of omission, to make cheap political points. Shameful.

BTW, Maya Keyes was dragging all over Illinois with her father when he well knew she was a lesbian. She was appearing IN PUBLIC; she was a public figure. Why didn't he mention it then?

And yet he ONLY threw her out when she appeared at an anti-ingurual rally. As long as he needed her to complete the perfect family man picture, it was fine that she "may" be a lesbian.

I'll give you this though: your rationalizion of Keyes' actions should scare the ever living hell out of Bill Clinton, et al.; you've managed to out do them in the parsing category.

799 posted on 02/28/2005 10:38:17 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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