Schiavo gets more time! (Till 3-18)

[kcvl]

Per Fox News...

[MarMema]

Normally people who don't drool, and Terri doesn't, are swallowing fairly well for starters.

[UCANSEE2]

Let's say it is not a Catholic prohibition.
Let's say the family doesn't want her cremated (or dead, actually).

What gives him the right, as an adulterer, who gave up on her recovery a long time ago, because he 'couldn't have a normal life', to get the judge to order a cremation?

What is his motivation for doing so?

[andysandmikesmom]

Sheesh...all I was doing was asking for some information...of course, it goes without saying, that where one spends ones spiritual life, is more important than whether ones physical body is buried or cremated...and obviously my point is being misunderstood...

Let say this again...many,many posters, on many different various Terri Shiavo threads, have said that the fact that Michael Shiavo wants to have Terri cremated, proves he does not honor her love of her Catholic religion, thereby insinuating that cremation is contrary to the Catholic religion...I understand that many also believe he wants her cremated to cover up his abuse of her...now objecting to using cremation in order to cover up concrete proof of past abuse is a valid point...but to say that cremating her is disrespecting her religion is not valid, at least from the information I have received...

I am just looking for the facts...

I have already stated time and time again, I do not believe Terri is brain dead or in a vegetative state...and I think that the feeding tube should not be pulled at all...so I am as angered as anyone here, that there is a possibility that Michael Shiavo can have the feeding tube pulled...

But using the excuse that cremation somehow proves that Michael Shiavo disrespects the Catholic religion, just does not hold up...

[TheBrotherhood]

Thanks for the link www.theempirejournal.com and for all you've done for our Terri.

God bless you.

[andysandmikesmom]

Again, I am going to say it...I want the feeding tube to stay in Terri...I think with time and therapy, there is a good chance she will get somewhat better...and even if she never improves at all, she is alive now, and deserves the chance to stay alive, for how ever long the Lord wishes it...

All I was trying to do was get some information, some clear facts about cremation and the Catholic church...I am not trying to imply anything by that, other than asking a question on a point that I was not familiar with...

I always thought by asking a question, I would get an answer...and I did, via Freepmail, a very good website, which discusses the very subject about cremation and the Catholic Church...

[Flamenco Lady]

I believe the Catholic Church does now allow cremation, however, they have not always done so. When I went to a Catholic grade school in the 1960's I was taught that they did not allow cremation.

The church has changed a lot of its rules and regulations through the years since Vatican II and this may well be one of them.

[andysandmikesmom]

Thank you...a reply to my question...yes, I did find out that the Catholic Church does allow cremation...what really did disturb me about this was that my husbands aunt was cremated(she was a very devout, active Catholic woman), and it was her wish to be cremated...

Then I go onto some of these Terris threads, and there are posters claiming that cremation is against the Catholic religion...

I was trying to reconcile my husbands aunts wishes with what I was reading on some of these threads...

Cremation is an option within the Catholic church...some may opt for that, others for burial...a personal choice...

Again, thanks for the info...

[UCANSEE2]

You and I cannot presume to know what my sister wants. I've never asked her, so I cannot give you a definitive answer.

My friend, this is the crux of the problem in this case. Michael has PRESUMED to know what TERRI WANTS, and FELOS says he is a mind reader and got it that way, and the JUDGE, who is blind, well, no one knows where he is getting his opinion.

Michael's first co-adulterer(that we know of) was subpoenaed and deposed and gave a statement (even though hearsay) that Michael told her (only a couple of years after the accident) that "He didn't know what to do. He and Terri never talked about it. They were young and never expected anything like this so it hadn't come up." (I am paraphrasing because it is late and I am not taking the time to go find the transcript).

It would appear Michael truly has no more of an inkling about what Terri really wants than you do with your hypothetical sister.

So, in that case, WHY should I THE JUDGE be allowed to have food and water kept from her until she slowly starves to death?

[ClancyJ]

.....I have yet to read a sensible explanation as to why Michael R. Schiavo is so popular in his upscale Clearwater neighborhood? What kind of people live in Clearwater, I wonder?......

I didn't know he was popular anywhere.

[MarilynBr]

From Larry King's 2003 interview with Michael Schiavo:
"KING: What about charges you abused her?

SCHIAVO: The Schindlers made accusations that I strangled Terri. It confuses me, because before any of this came to light, don't you think the doctors at solitary, when it first happened, would notice marks around her neck? And if I strangled her to the point of unconsciousness, her trachea would have been crushed."

I remember at the time of the interview when Michael gave this answer, it sent cold chills up my back. This is not the kind of answer that a person falsely accused of a crime gives. This is the kind of answer that person looking for an alibi gives.

The part about "her trachea would have been crushed" is the kind of answer that gives me the willies about this man. I mean he could have tried to smother her by holding a pillow over her face, or being as large as he is at 6'6" and 250 pounds, he just could have squeezed little Terri tightly around the ribcage and stopped her breathing that way. Neither of these methods would have caused her trachea to be crushed, but it still would have cut off her oxygen supply.

[TheBrotherhood]

"What is his motivation for doing so?"

The HINO obviously is afraid what an autopsy might reveal.

[UCANSEE2]

You are correct to fully explore the truth of the cremation issue.

Now, the next step. Did Terri's Catholic family want Terri cremated?

Why, if Terri is a lost-hope, as the Judge Sees it, is Michael not interested in what HER MOTHER AND FATHER WANT?

Not granting a MOTHER's WISHES for her DYING CHILD? What kind of world are we creating here?

[UCANSEE2]

HINO.

How about ADULTERING CATHOLIC IN NAME ONLY INTENT ON GETTING RID OF WIFE BECAUSE SHE's A BURDEN.

That would be ACINOIOGROWBSB.

[Selkie]

I am a good Catholic [Most of the time ;-) ] and all the Catholics whom Ive personally known pass away in last 5 years have been cremated.

And I'm talking about very traditional devout Italian Roman Catholics.

"The new (1983) stipulates, "The Church earnestly recommends that the pious custom of burying the dead be observed; it DOES NOT, however, forbid cremation unless it has been chosen for reasons which are contrary to Christian teaching" (No. 1176, 3). Therefore, a person may choose to be cremated if he has the right intention. However, the cremated remains must be treated with respect and should be interred in a grave or columbarium." http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/CREMATE.HTM

[TheBrotherhood]

"SCHIAVO: The Schindlers made accusations that I strangled Terri. It confuses me, because before any of this came to light, don't you think the doctors at solitary, when it first happened, would notice marks around her neck? And if I strangled her to the point of unconsciousness, her trachea would have been crushed."

"I remember at the time of the interview when Michael gave this answer, it sent cold chills up my back. This is not the kind of answer that a person falsely accused of a crime gives. This is the kind of answer that person looking for an alibi gives."

Excellent. You took the words right out of my mouth. While reading the first para above, I was thinking exactly what you were thinking. That is a scripted ready-made answer for an alibi.

[UCANSEE2]

This is not the kind of answer that a person falsely accused of a crime gives. This is the kind of answer that person looking for an alibi gives.

Also, someone trained in medical terminology might speak that way.(benefit of the doubt)

Also, someone who knows medicine and knows what would reveal a physical attack, attempted murder, or maybe even having planned out causing coma-like incapacity by starving the brain long enough to damage it, but not to totally kill. A plan to file some lawsuits, get some money, expecting a reasonably quick death from complications.

I know, far-fetched, I must admit. But this is a man that brags about starving his own parents to death. A man who alledgedly speaks of his wife as "Has the bitch died yet?", because he is anxious to get home to his girlfriend and their two children.

[TheBrotherhood]

"How about ADULTERING CATHOLIC IN NAME ONLY INTENT ON GETTING RID OF WIFE BECAUSE SHE's A BURDEN."

That too, UCANSEE2. But it seems to me that the results of an autopsy is what controls HINO to have Terri cremated in the first place.

Had his primary intent for cremation been because she is a burden, HINO would have divorced Terri years ago. No, I truly believe now that there is some nefarious reason for having Terri cremated - ie, he may have caused Terri current conditions.

[jonrick46]

Are you speaking for God? I think that sustaining life by "artificial means" could include a wide range of procedures. Vice President Dick Cheney has a pace maker. I know someone who has an insulin pump. My glasses keep me alive because, without them, I might walk off a cliff. That would feel really good. Think of the discomfort you would have to be denied food and drink because someone was so ignorant to think the way you were getting it was "against God's will?"

Let's put the entire argument into perspective. What this is about is euthanasia. We are seeing barbarians willing to use a technique of euthanasia which would deny food and water as a method to end life. That, God willing, you would not want for your own pet.

[andysandmikesmom]

Yes, I do feel right about searching for the truth on a subject that I am not really that knowledgeable about...its the only way I am going to learn...

I would agree that it is cruel not to consider the wishes of Terris parents...she was their baby, their little girl, long before she became Michaels wife...but, as the law seems to be now, once a person marries, its the spouse who gets the right to say what happens next...

Which, only goes to show, that people should have it in writing what they want for their life and death decisions, concerning their own body...its a shame that we do not have in Terris own handwriting, what she might have wished for herself in this situation....I suspect, she would opt for life....but we will never know for sure...

I know that Terris parents are on agony right now...I know the feeling, that horrible feeling that comes, ,when you realize your child might die soon...my older boy was terminally ill, and my knowing that his days were going to be shortened, was pure agony...so I have all the sympathy, and understanding for Terris parents...what they are going through, is horrible..

[andysandmikesmom]

Thanks for the information, I need to keep myself informed...