Terri Schaivo - The End Game - Why Terri Schiavo Has to Die

The Catholic Advocate ^ | June 2004 | Cecilia H. Martin

[LaFlorida]

"...What is the motive behind the restaurateur turned physical therapist turned nurse who passionately pursues his wife's death? Many wonder. Could Michael Schiavo be a pawn, a pawn in a much larger game being played for much higher stakes?"

[PrairieLady2]

(quote)Why, in the false concept of helping her, are we preventing her from being with God and in Heaven today?

We are not helping her physical body in any way. But spiritually, we are causing her harm.(/quote)

Why are we preventing her form being with God in Heaven?
Probably for the same reason nobody sews YOUR lips shut, preventing YOU from eating and drinking, so YOU can be with God "In heaven".

You think we are causing her spiritual harm?

Scuse me fella, but first of all, Terri has God IN HER. She doesn't have to wait for heaven, she has relationship NOW. Secondly, spritual harm isn't caused at all because her faith is STRONG. The Holy Spirit sustains her and there is NOTHING anybody can do to stop that. All is well with her soul and we can't harm a thing. God is the giver of her faith, and God is the sustainer of her faith.

If you are waiting for death to be with God rather than cultivating relationship with him now...you will have waited in vain. If you don't have it in life, you never will.

pl

[Holly12345M]

I just don't know where some people get off thinking they can be so compassionate now. What about Terri?? Where was everyone 10 years ago?? Now it is so easy to say what's right and what's wrong. It is inhumane to be eating from a tube just to keep her alive for their own selfish reasons. This is a clear case of selfishness. I'm not saying she should die, but what is she living for?? I know a parent is "supposed to die before their children", but in this case she is already dead. I think this is more of a publicity stunt than anything. it's a chance for the president and senators' to get in the good graces of the public eye. there are better ways to do this. Let the woman be free. I have gone through the same thing(just a little different). I would not have wanted my loved one to live in the state she was in. They wanted to put a feeding tube in and we said no. That's not how she wanted to live her life. Regardless of some of the selfish reasons involved in it, we thought it was best to let her go and respect her wishes. Her spirit is now watching over us as will Terri's. Don't make her suffer anymore. Enough is enough. Let her go and remember you will always have good memories, but if she continues to live with the tube in her, then all you will have to remember is the bad, and very little good. I just think LET HER GO PEACEFULLY and PAINLESSLY. But the way society is the tube will go back in. There are alot of SELFISH people in this world, and if you agree the tube should be put back in, well, YOU ARE SELFISH TOO. And I might be called a murder, but those who call me a murder are just jealous and envious because they don't have the mentality I do to say let her go. Let god take care of her now. It's time. Go see your main father Terri, be with him and look down badly on those who wanted you to suffer for so long to fulfill their own selfishness and insecurities. Take care god's child Terri. God will take you soon and you can be with him. Home again.

[lnbchip]

Why is it so hard for people like you to find value and worth in the lives of the suffering and handicapped? I am sorry that you have been forced to deal with this situation. But, you are wrong in so many ways in your attitude toward Terri Schaivo. A human life is not at peace only when it is in perfect condition and not suffering. My wife and mother-in-law have made a point for the last few years of taking our kids to Mass at the nursing home a half mile from our home. Our kids have seen suffering and pain. But the lesson we don't want to teach our kids is that those old people would be better off dead than sitting there in those chairs drooling and in pain. We want our kids to learn to love and make contact with those people on their level. When my daughter is asked by the Alzheimers patients three and four times what her name is, she just politely says her name over and over again. She doesn't make fun of the people, she respects them and loves them even in their condition. Human life has value simply because it is human. When our family did mission work in Mexico, my children were blessed with the opportunity to visit the shut-ins. In one home a blind man was taking care of his wife who had no legs. They lived in a one room house that leaked all over and basically only kept out the torrential rain. But I guarantee you that anyone who left there did not leave feeling sorry for these people. You couldn't help leaving without falling in love with them and their relationship. Under the attitude you present, these people would be happier dead. When the lady finally died last year. The blind gentleman was destroyed emotionally. Her life had amazing meaning to many of my friends. We will miss her very badly. It breaks my heart to hear how her husband is handling her death. But, his love and Faith will carry him on. Let Terri live to spread love to her family and all of us whom she inspires. Let her go???? What you are saying is kill her and put her out of her misery. I'm sorry but that's horrible. She is special even if she never improves one bit. Who cares if she is a burden. All human life deserves to be respected and cared for. God places these people in our hands - and her family is more than willing to take her on and love and care for her until she dies a natural death.

[Holly12345M]

Have you had to deal with it on a personal level?? I did. I took care of my terminally ill grandmother. I watched her suffer with pain everyday. I watched her go downhill. They wanted to put in the feeding tube and we thought about it. And we came to the conclusion, no, she is in too much pain. She cried every-night. It got to a point where she was losing her mind(Alzheimer's). In alot of ways my grandmother was like Terri. I am not saying that I want her to die. You misinterpreted what I was saying. She probably has a chance she could recover. But what if she doesn't. I just don't know how anyone can live with themselves watching a loved one suffer in pain. Not being able to do anything. My grandmother said how embarrassed she felt having to rely on others just to do a simple thing like going to the bathroom. So I can kind of imagine what Terri is going through. I lived through it with my grandmother. But I do respect your opinions.

[Sally II]

Interesting article. I hadn't heard about George Soros' support with Project Death. This quote really struck me: Soros writes that "devout believers of any sort are idiots who shouldn't hold public office."

I know that "progressives" feel threatened by people who believe in God. But the irony that arises from their fear of religion is that their own belief system is so cultish. At this point in time, when you ask a "progressive" what they believe in, they'll tell you that they don't know. They're too busy questioning reality and trying to re-invent human nature to something that fits their utopian world view. But the dark underbelly of this is that while on one hand their belief system seems mushy and shapeless, they base their politics on a view of human nature and the world that is fictional. Their politics are based on a "faith" that their brand of "good intentions" can save the world, and that human nature is something that can be shaped, moulded, and pushed toward a higher evolutionary goal. YOu can't believe in the evolution of humanity AND believe that humans have a sin nature that is weak and needs God. It's much like Nazism: the quest for the more perfect world and the more perfect human. You don't have to be a gifted prophet to see that the outcome of progressive philosophy will be similar to the outcome of Nazism.

[SFmother]

Would Mr Schiavo change his mind if an investigation is launched looking at the circumstances around the initial incident 15 years ago. If an investigation proved he contributed to her condition by violence, her death would change a battery change to murder.

[Maggie4life]

Michael Schiavo was never a Catholic. This is yet another error that is made in the press.

It is Terri Schindler who was the devout Catholic. The Schiavo family are Lutheran

[Maggie4life]

No, her husband is a real control freak and he tried to with hold life saving medicine from Terri long before he hired Felos to fight for him.

====

He did it again in 2003. You need to check out the content of those newly released document.

I wonder whether Felos advised him that it was not illegal for him to deny his wife the antibiotics.

[Maggie4life]

Michael got the money, had some therapy for her for a little while, met Geroge Felos, and then suddenly "remembered" that Terri said in a casual way on one occassion, "No tubes for me". In spite of the fact that he swore UNDER OATH in a court of law previously that he would take care of her for the rest of his life.

---

Let us get one thing straight in this saga. Michael Schiavo is no pawn of George Felos. Michael Schiavo deliberately hired a lawyer who was a right to die advocate. He did this after his previous attempts to murder his wife had failed. Felos was hired by 1998, after the incident where the nursing home refused to cooperate when he attempted to deny Terri the right to receive antibiotic treatment. He admitted in evidence that he did this to make her "pass on". No doubt it was very frustrating to discover that Terri had such a very strong will to live, despite everything that he dished out in the way of abuse.

The other lawyer who remained in the background is Greico, who was the owner of Agostino's restaurant where Michael was working when the "collapse" happened. It was Daniel Greico who got the Schindlers to sign the papers that gave guardianship to Michael.

Deborah Bushnell was hired as the guardianship lawyer and it is more than likely that she recommended George Felos. It was Bushnell who wrote that the parents had to be notified when the wish to pull the tube was first discussed.

At that point in time George Felos was chairman of the board of Woodside Hospice. He had already won the Estelle Browning case, which saw Estelle Browning being put to death through the withdrawl of nutrition and hydration. He was hired because he is a fox and he knows the ropes.

It is only after Michael Schiavo consulted with George Felos that he came up with the claim that Terri would not have wanted to stay alive in that condition. It is obvious to this observer that the statement was not true and that Felos coached Schiavo on what he had to say. I suspect that Felos also coached the brother Scott and sister in law Joan who made similar statements about these alleged feelings. It was all too convenient because they did not come forward until after the report by the guardian ad litem, Richard Pearse gave his report that indicated a certain lack of credibility where Michael Schiavo was concerned.

The more I have found out about the attempts to murder Terri, the more I recognize that nobody pulled Michael Schiavo's strings. He wanted Terri dead, and George Felos was a useful ally because good ol George had his own euthanasia agenda that could be fulfilled by having success in this case.

Too bad that it will soon backfire and explode in their faces.

[Maggie4life]

Where did the money go? Do you think hospice lets people stay there for free?

---

The money was not spent on therapy and treatment. The money went into the pockets of the lawyers who were fighting to have Theresa put to death.

The hospice was being paid illegally by your Medicare scheme. This is a subject for further investigation.

[AnalogReigns]

Other than God's judgement in hell that awaits them, how will it all now backfire in their faces?

Seems to me that Micheal, Felos, Greico, Greer, and the whole judiciary, state and federal, of Florida got away with murder, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Actually I would like to see the Schindlers file a wrongful death lawsuit for several million against Schiavo...they have the evidence, and if they could find the right judge, I bet it would work.

[Hildy]

Are you a lawyer?

[restornu]

If my body has become a prison, and people are preventing me from being with God and Heaven, I would be rather angry.

Terri was NOT ON LIFT SUPPORT and anytime she wanted to leave she could have WILLED herself out of here!

TERRI WAS STARVED TO DEATH AND DENIED WATER! *(NS)

When are you folks who take your position going to grasp this knowledge??

We truely do have FREEWILL!

* ns = not screaming

[restornu]

IF God wanted Terri home HE would have taken her, she wouldn't have to be murdered to get there. This girl WANTS to live. Since when does God need our help to take his children home???? Geesh

Amen #233

[Maggie4life]

Scuse me fella, but first of all, Terri has God IN HER. She doesn't have to wait for heaven, she has relationship NOW. Secondly, spritual harm isn't caused at all because her faith is STRONG. The Holy Spirit sustains her and there is NOTHING anybody can do to stop that. All is well with her soul and we can't harm a thing. God is the giver of her faith, and God is the sustainer of her faith.

If you are waiting for death to be with God rather than cultivating relationship with him now...you will have waited in vain. If you don't have it in life, you never will.

---

I agree Prairie Lady. You are absolutely right. Terri had Jesus in her and with her when she was dying.

I have no doubt that she was being comforted by Jesus because she laughed when she heard his name.

Terri is special. She is now a martyr in heaven.

Her death will not be in vain because through her starvation and dehydration a lot has been done to highlight the distress of the relatives of people all over the world who are facing similar conflicts.

I think it is appropriate to think of Theresa Schindler, as well as Pope John Paul II, as the patron saints of the disabled.

[Gondring]

...anytime she wanted to leave she could have WILLED herself out of here!

I have to ask for support for this statement. Can you show me a single example of where a person has successfully willed himself away? Every attempt at this has--to my knowledge--failed, including the alt.suicide.methods experiments and those people who have come out of "locked-in" experiences after trying to will thmeselves out of the horror.

The evidence is clear that the body will continue to work despite the mind. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'm very interested. If not, please rethink your position--your conclusions are based on faulty assumptions.

[Gondring]

I don't know about sainthood of Mrs. Schiavo, but her case DID expose quite clearly that there are many people who would interfere in a disabled person's life and block their wishes. The Schindlers admitted that they would have ignored their daughter's wishes (even if they had been in writing), for example, as did many others.

The disabled have a hard enough time getting their needs respected when they are able to express them and fight for them--it's scary to think we might not have our needs respected when we can't fight for them ourselves.

I just hope conservatism doesn't have to pay the price in fighting off the anti-rights zealots!

[Gondring]

Well, if Terry has to be put down then I suggest they at least do it as they would at the SPCA with animals that no one wants and give her a shot. Sarcasm in case someone takes this statement wrong.

Might have been sarcasm, but there's a kernel of truth therein. Why do we allow an injection with a criminal or an animal, but not for innocents?

[bvw]

You confuse rights and wrongs. We conservatives are anti-wrongs and pro-rights. Murder and suicide -- no matter how sanely contracted for are crimes, are wrongs, are evils. In no way are they "rights".

[restornu]

If you have witness people dying you would understand that...

There have been people who have wither a way after a love one has passed away that they too followed shortly.....

If your life force is strong you will stay around until it is your time....

If you are in a twilight zone such as Terri you are able to bob back and forth this is where the WILL makes the decision of staying or leaving....

On some level Terri was aware most likely what was going on
in her state she could go out of body and beaware of what was going on in Washington DC. as well as Michael & Felos, Judge Greer etc. opposition to her right to stay.......

She would be knowing the will of the nation and how the Major media champing her demise......

She also would be aware of time running out on her life force dropping below 50 in various areaa of body functions and the point of no return...

So at sometime hanging in there is no longer an option at a certain point the diminish of returns futile!