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The global warming scam
Asia Times ^ | 02.25.05 | Derek Kelly, PhD

Posted on 02/25/2005 12:02:42 AM PST by Dr. Marten

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1 posted on 02/25/2005 12:02:43 AM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten
Doc, this is a truly GREAT post. This is a great one by all measures. I love that line about "we should be paying the Chinese to burn coal." Lol.....that is really funny because of its ring of truth and classic irony. I agree with the author that global cooling is a much greater danger than global warming. IIRC, there was a very cold century not too long ago when a large percentage of the European population died from hunger and disease brought on by the cold. I think it was the 15th century.

The science behind the global warming theory is really weak as I've stated numerous times on FR. It's all based on inadequately research assumptions that are used by elaborate computer models which crank out essentially meaningless forecasts. The forecasts are meaningless because they are based on soft, unproven assumptions. One factor the forecasters always seem to forget is that the rate of any chemical reaction increases with concentration of the reactants. Therefore, the more CO2 we add to he atmopshere, the faster plants consume CO2 in photosynthesis reactions and the faster the CO2 reacts with compounds in the soil.

The effect of C02 on temperature is also highly debateable. Just a few months ago, I heard about new research indicating that CO2 helps to radiate heat AWAY from the earth in the upper atmosphere. The global warming theory is just classic bureaucratic group think--people in government supported organizations believe in global warming because this expressed belief is good for their careers and their department budgets. I've never seen a better example of mass stupidity by smart people than the "consensus" that global warming is actually happening and it is caused by increasing CO2 levels.

2 posted on 02/25/2005 12:22:11 AM PST by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry is a liar and rotten to the core)
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To: Dr. Marten

I don't believe in a 2 to 3 million or older earth but this guy makes sense about global climate change. Can't say the same for those who claim we are heading into doomsday from global warming.


3 posted on 02/25/2005 12:24:49 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: farmfriend

Environment


4 posted on 02/25/2005 12:33:46 AM PST by Brian328i
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To: Dr. Marten
See this for another good piece on the scam ( Fonts are large ):

PERSPECTIVES: RISING CO2 LEVELS - THE REASON WHY ~~The earth has a cycle

And this web site:

Not by Fire but by Ice
THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

5 posted on 02/25/2005 12:35:45 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Dr. Marten

bump good post. Thanks for the info.


6 posted on 02/25/2005 12:39:23 AM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From the second link:

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Precession of the Equinoxes

Not by Fire but by Ice

THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

Pacemaker of the Ice Ages

 
Changes in global ice volume during the last 500,000 years, as determined from CLIMAP isotopic measurements. Chart is from John and Katherine Imbrie's book Ice Ages: Solving the Mystery, by permission of Enslow Publishers. Data from J. D. Hays et al., 1976, by permission J. D. Hays.

BACK TO HOME PAGE

  • In 1976, scientists at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory spearheaded a project called CLIMAP (Clint: Long-range Investigation Mapping and Prediction) to map the history of the oceans and climate.
  • They discovered that ice ages begin or end, almost like clockwork, every 11,500 years. It's a dependable, predictable, natural cycle. Pacemaker of the Ice Ages, they called it.
  • They drew up a chart of the cycle (above).
  • See the sharp peaks every 100,000 years or so? Each peak marks the abut end of a period of warmth similar to today's and the catastrophic beginning of a new ice age.
  • See where we are today? (At the far right side of the chart?) We're at the tip of the highest peak ever, teetering on the knife-edge of disaster. We haven't been that high on the chart for half a million years.
  • And do you see what happened--without exception--every time we got that high on the chart?
  • Instantaneous ice age.
  • The next ice age could begin any day.

 

7 posted on 02/25/2005 12:44:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Dr. Marten
The "green" fanatics may be able to fool a majority of the public however they will never be able to fool Mother Nature.

Mother Nature has her own agenda and is not in a position to have to kowtow to human intervention! ; )

8 posted on 02/25/2005 1:02:37 AM PST by EGPWS
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1940 to 1977: Cooling period. The temperatures are cooler than currently. Mountain glaciers recede, and some begin to advance. The tabloids inform us of widespread catastrophes due to the "New Glaciation". The causes of this period of cooling are unknown.

One of those "tabloids" was the Weekly Reader. They had a picture with vast tundras and two domed cities miles apart.

Scared the Hell out of me when I saw that. Scared me so much that when this "Global Warming(TM)" fad started, it caused me to question everything I was ever taught in the public school system.

I don't believe a word of anything unless I can prove it too myself. If I can't prove, for example, Big Bang, then it isn't important enough to worry about.

Seems to me, unless you are a scientist, you have to take almost any thing an alleged expert says on faith.

I simply don't have that much faith.

9 posted on 02/25/2005 2:13:24 AM PST by Duke Nukum (King had to write, to sing the song of Gan. And I had to read. How else could Roland find the Tower?)
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To: carl in alaska

>>CO2 helps to radiate heat AWAY from the earth in the upper atmosphere.

Actually, the original scientist who sounded the global warming alarm....later retracted when he calculated that the reflectance of CO2 couteracts warming.


10 posted on 02/25/2005 3:29:32 AM PST by The Raven
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To: taxesareforever

Believe it or not, it does not make any difference. This planet is 4,000,000,000+ years old. Your beliefs will not change that FACT.


11 posted on 02/25/2005 4:27:16 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: Dr. Marten

bttt


12 posted on 02/25/2005 4:47:06 AM PST by secret garden (Go Spurs Go!)
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To: taxesareforever

How old do you thing earth is?


13 posted on 02/25/2005 4:49:58 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree

Hahahaha! Its warm in the day, cold at night. I don't see any warming!


14 posted on 02/25/2005 5:20:47 AM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

"The Polar Ice Caps are Melting" story comes out every few months. Some expedition goes out and measures the sea ice at some location they already have data from 5, 10 years ago for example and surprise, they announce with much fanfare, that the ice is 20% thinner than it was

(Sometimes these guys are just kooks by the way. One highly noted study comes from a zoology professor who was working on a cruise ship lol.)

Anyway, here is a link to the latest animation from NASA's ICESat satellite of the North Pole sea ice (the best you will see) 1979 to 2004.

The polar ice moves back and forth so much and moves so much with the seasons that only a long-long-long-term satellite study with radar measurements can tell you anything at all.

http://www.nasa.gov/mpeg/103496main_sea_ice2004_320x240.mpeg


15 posted on 02/25/2005 5:33:13 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: Dr. Marten
What do you think?

I dunno...call me crazy...but I'm thinking the temperature on our planet has an awful lot to do with that thing in the sky that we call the Sun! The way these people talk, you'd think that the Sun was a constant.

If these people really wanted to isolate CO2 as the culprit, they'd first need to do an energy balance on the whole, and weed out any variability from bigger contributors like the Sun. Draw a box around the Earth and find out how much of the Sun's energy hits the earth in a given year. It ain't gonna be constant: the sun experiences cycles; some years it burns hotter than others. You've got to eliminate this variability from the equation before we can talk about such minor causes as fossil fuels.

16 posted on 02/25/2005 6:27:06 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: taxesareforever
I don't believe in a 2 to 3 million or older earth

You have a better estimate and if so, how did you arrive at it?

17 posted on 02/25/2005 6:37:31 AM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: nuke rocketeer

This planet is 4,000,000,000+ years old. Your beliefs will not change that FACT.

Facts are NORMALLY established by observation. What was the name of the individual who you would quote lived 4 billion years ago? And by the way, your beliefs WILL establish that FACT?


18 posted on 02/25/2005 10:36:08 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: The Raven

If you can find a link to that retraction you'll be a hero around here.


19 posted on 02/25/2005 10:37:06 AM PST by carl in alaska (Visit downtown Chicago on a cold windy January day and you'll find that global warming is a myth.)
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To: Sam Cree

Somewhere in the vicinity of 8 to 10 thousand years old.


20 posted on 02/25/2005 10:37:30 AM PST by taxesareforever
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