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Marine commandant says Fallujah shooting incident still under investigation
AFP ^ | 2/24/05

Posted on 02/24/2005 9:30:14 AM PST by TexKat

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US Marine Corps' commandant said an investigation was still open into the actions of a Marine who was captured on videotape killing a wounded Iraqi at point blank range during November's assault on Fallujah.

General Michael Hagee denied a CBS News report Wednesday that investigators have concluded there is insufficient evidence to charge the Marine.

"That report is not correct. The investigation is still ongoing. There has been no decision one way or the other," Hagee said at a breakfast with defense reporters.

Once the investigation is completed it will go to the US combatant commander, General John Abizaid, he said.

The November 13 shooting occurred during a search of a mosque in a widely broadcast incident that sparked worldwide outrage and was described by the International Committee of the Red Cross as a demonstration of "utter contempt for humanity."

But Hagee said that email he has received from members of the public has expressed "strong support for the individual marine, and we ought to do nothing on that."

He said the volume of email he had received on the matter was high compared to the response to other incidents.

In the incident, a trooper raised his rifle and shot point blank at an apparently unarmed, wounded Iraqi who was slumped against one of the mosque walls, in footage captured by an embedded cameraman working for the NBC network.

Although the insurgents were found to be unarmed, investigators said the one the Marine believed he had seen moving could have been reaching for a weapon.

The rifleman was withdrawn from combat pending the results of the investigation, but the graphic footage enraged many, months after the scandal over US troops' abuse of inmates at the Abu Ghraib prison.

The raid on Fallujah, part of an attempt at reclaiming key lawless enclaves across the country ahead of January elections, has been the largest military operation in Iraq since the March 2003.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; fallujahmarine; iraq; marine
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To: TexKat; Defender2; Blue Scourge; armyman; Arrowhead1952; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; ...
"Who wants to bet that Hanoi Kerry didn't
pull some strings to keep this "investigation" open!"


41 posted on 02/24/2005 2:29:43 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (I served in Viet Nam Oct'68-Apr'69 I'm a war criminal, Hanoi Kerry is a hero AND a US Senator)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTT!!!!!


42 posted on 02/24/2005 2:40:24 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: sean327
I had crossed rifles on mine and I was proud to be called Trooper, get over it.
43 posted on 02/24/2005 2:49:15 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump to the top


44 posted on 02/24/2005 2:50:08 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping.


45 posted on 02/24/2005 3:07:21 PM PST by cedarswingman (Your Freedom has been Chiseled in Stone)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

This really sucks! I just read and responded to yesterday's thread about this. Thought it was all settled. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349751/posts


46 posted on 02/24/2005 3:27:47 PM PST by JLO (Minnesota Nice)
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To: Marine_Uncle

No way. Bad sign. BTW, where is Cpl. Hassoun? Does anyone know?


47 posted on 02/24/2005 3:42:31 PM PST by KiloLima
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To: MEG33; TexKat; Ros42

By the time I responded to your ping, Ros, this update came across the wire. The case is not closed, according to the Marines. It should have been closed right after the mission in question. But, thanks to Kevin Sites (don't forget that name!), it became an "incident."


48 posted on 02/24/2005 3:45:14 PM PST by KiloLima
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I'm not a betting woman. ;-]


49 posted on 02/24/2005 3:47:05 PM PST by KiloLima
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


50 posted on 02/24/2005 3:48:28 PM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: TexKat; Northern Yankee
but the graphic footage enraged many

Clarification: it enraged many of the sissies and wimps on the left who hate America and our military to begin with. Red-blooded Americans were thankful this Marine took such quick action perhaps preventing his death and the death or injury of others.

51 posted on 02/24/2005 3:55:00 PM PST by kayak (Have you prayed for your President today?)
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To: TexKat; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping guys. This shouldn't even be an issue or have an in-depth investigation going on. I'll bet there are many Marines in the field right now thankful that there are brothers-in-arms like him watching their back. I know I'd be grateful for his quick thinking actions and would be honored to serve with him.


52 posted on 02/24/2005 4:06:26 PM PST by Mustng959 (In loving memory of those that gave their all to preserve our Freedoms!)
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To: TexKat

What's embarassing is that this matter wasn't settled in about a week. The Marine involved in this incident is owed a rapid conclusion to this incident, one way or another.

I'm of the opinion that there's plenty of evidence to believe he acted under the belief the lives of himself and his fellow Marines were at risk. There's certainly not enough evidence for someone who wasn't there to conclusively find otherwise.


53 posted on 02/24/2005 4:28:51 PM PST by No Longer Free State
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To: TexKat

Just saw O'Reilly saying he wasn't gonna be charged...


54 posted on 02/24/2005 4:30:33 PM PST by No Longer Free State
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To: KiloLima; TexKat

Thanks for pings! So which bonehead at CBS gave the go ahead for this story THIS TIME? geeze!! That Marine should have been cleared along time ago!! @#$%$%@&*..there I feel better now...:)


55 posted on 02/24/2005 4:38:46 PM PST by Ros42
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To: TexKat
Thanks for the ping....

But Hagee said that email he has received from members of the public has expressed "strong support for the individual marine, and we ought to do nothing on that."
Does anyone have contact info for the General?
56 posted on 02/24/2005 4:42:40 PM PST by dfwddr
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To: dfwddr

How ironic that Hagee would defend Lt. Gen. James Mattis, for saying it was "fun to shoot people"...yet he can't clear a Marine that did it in an actual life and death situation??



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A three-star Marine general who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully, the Marine Corps commandant said Thursday.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded Marine expeditions in Afghanistan and Iraq, made the comments Tuesday during a panel discussion in San Diego, California.

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot," Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. "It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

Mattis' press office has not yet responded to a request to answer questions about his comments.

However, the Marine commandant, Gen. Michael Hagee, defended Mattis, calling him "one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders."


57 posted on 02/24/2005 4:53:14 PM PST by Ros42
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To: TexKat

Let them keep investigating. I told them to put me back in my U. S. Air Force uniform and court martial me with him because my finger was on that trigger too. I mean it!


58 posted on 02/24/2005 5:01:42 PM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Ros42

I remember this story, but didn't realize he was the same General. I hope he is defending this one behind the scenes as much as he defended Mattis.


59 posted on 02/24/2005 5:18:51 PM PST by dfwddr
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To: JOE43270
Yep.

Told my heathens (squad): "You shoot them until they quit moving. Then, when you run past them, you shoot them twice in the head just to be sure."

60 posted on 02/24/2005 5:21:31 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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