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Americans Lose $68 Billion to Illegals
NewsMax ^ | 02/24/2005 | Donald R. Davis and David E. Weinstein

Posted on 02/24/2005 9:18:17 AM PST by Marine Inspector

Americans Lose $68 Billion to Illegals

Using a new approach, Columbia University economists David Weinstein and Donald Davis estimate the net economic losses from immigration to Americans.

Unlike earlier studies, this new model does not treat the movement of immigrant labor into the country simply as a result of abundant resources and demand for labor, assumptions more appropriate to the 19th century.

Rather, the model takes into account globalization, the technological superiority of the American economy, and the resulting high standard of living.

Among the report’s findings:

In 2002, the net loss to U.S. natives from immigration was $68 billion.

This $68 billion annual loss represents a $14 billion increase just since 1998. As the size of the immigrant population has continued to increase, so has the loss.

The decline in wages is relative to the price of goods and services, so the study takes into account any change in consumer prices brought about by immigration.

The negative effect comes from increases in the supply of labor, and not the legal (or illegal) status of immigrants.

While natives lose from immigration, the findings show that immigrants themselves benefit substantially by coming to America.

Those who remain behind in their home countries also benefit from the migration of their countrymen. Donald R. Davis and David E. Weinstein are both professors of economics at Columbia University, as well as Research Associates at the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER).


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To: tdewey10
I'm not encouraging massive illegal immigration, I'm stating that if America does not keep up in the population race we are going to lose are number one super-power status to China or India.

I think a damn good case can be made that, without the good ol' underpopulated USA, China and India would forever wallow in poverty, let alone ever aspire to superpower status.

I also thought it beyond debate that the secret of the US's success is our system of government, the apogee of western liberalism (the traditional kind), based as it is in faith in the Almighty.

81 posted on 02/24/2005 1:57:46 PM PST by skeeter ("A nation without borders is not a nation" RW R)
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To: skeeter

Hmmmm, SLSIALSs and MMIALs. Sort of a sub-species kind of classification scheme. Certainly worth considering.


82 posted on 02/24/2005 2:01:04 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Illegals who jump the border, demand cash and be not on the books, don't want to be here legally and don't want to pay taxes. As long as employers will pay these people off the books, and avoid payroll taxes etc, there will be a demand for them.


83 posted on 02/24/2005 2:01:15 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: F16Fighter; skeeter

SOILs. I like it much better than SOIALs. Has a better sound-recognition-pronunciation factor going for it. Good enough. Lets give the others a chance to see if your SOILs can be bested. I also like skeeter's sub-species classification suggestion, which would also mesh with your SOILs.


84 posted on 02/24/2005 2:08:25 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Since the authors aren't distiguishing between legal and illegal immigration, it will be interesting to see all of the comments.

Yet, NewsMax felt the need to add the word "illegal" to the title.

85 posted on 02/24/2005 2:13:42 PM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: All
United States Technological Superiority and the Losses From Migration Look to the bottom to find a full pdf paper on the subject
86 posted on 02/24/2005 2:18:18 PM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: jackbenimble
It is a supply and demand thing. If the demand for labor remains constant but you increase the supply by adding lots of illegals then the price (wage) falls.

And that's the problem, you assume demand stays constant. More labor allows the economy to grow thus creating more demand for labor.

87 posted on 02/24/2005 2:19:09 PM PST by Always Right
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To: chris1
And that has what to do with this report? The report does not distinguish between illegal and illegal immigration.
88 posted on 02/24/2005 2:19:47 PM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: F16Fighter
As usual.

No source to back up your claim.
Bearing false witness is a sin. Name calling is just tacky and immature.

90 posted on 02/24/2005 2:28:28 PM PST by PRND21
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To: skeeter

"I also thought it beyond debate that the secret of the US's success is our system of government, the apogee of western liberalism (the traditional kind), based as it is in faith in the Almighty."


All true, it is also true that part of our success is due to our long history of encouraging and supporting immigration. Huddled masses and etc.


91 posted on 02/24/2005 2:55:03 PM PST by tdewey10 (America needs more people. People are power just look at China and India.)
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To: skeeter

"I also thought it beyond debate that the secret of the US's success is our system of government, the apogee of western liberalism (the traditional kind), based as it is in faith in the Almighty."


All true, it is also true that part of our success is due to our long history of encouraging and supporting immigration. Huddled masses and etc.


92 posted on 02/24/2005 2:55:34 PM PST by tdewey10 (America needs more people. People are power just look at China and India.)
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To: PRND21

"Your tactics are tiresome, Miss Kelly."
then don't bother me with your inane comments

And for the 501st time since you apparently don't already know me but I have the wrong plumbing to be a "Miss", if you check out my tagline you'll see that I was in the 5th Marines and FYI there are no "Misses" in the 5th Marines. LMAO
but then you probably wouldn't know that either now would you...


93 posted on 02/24/2005 2:59:10 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Always Right
And that's the problem, you assume demand stays constant. More labor allows the economy to grow thus creating more demand for labor.

I don't assume it, I look at the facts and I know it. If I was wrong, wages would be rising rather than falling.

94 posted on 02/24/2005 3:02:07 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: kellynla; PRND21
And for the 501st time since you apparently don't already know me but I have the wrong plumbing to be a "Miss",

Could've fooled me; you do a fair imitation of my hysterical (literally) psycho-case ex-girlfriend.

95 posted on 02/24/2005 3:02:20 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: tdewey10
All true, it is also true that part of our success is due to our long history of encouraging and supporting immigration. Huddled masses and etc.

A nice poem, but an irrational immigration policy.

Likewise, just because it was good policy in the past doesn't mean it will be good policy forever. There was a time we had a continent to populate - a frontier to conquer and an industrial revolution to manage.

Now, prosperity is the result of increased efficiency, not increased population.

96 posted on 02/24/2005 3:05:44 PM PST by skeeter ("A nation without borders is not a nation" RW R)
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To: kellynla
then don't bother me with your inane comments

You posted your "facts" to me unsolicited, genius.
As for the "Miss" comment...sorry.

97 posted on 02/24/2005 3:07:00 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Poohbah

Your ex-girlfriend was a DU troll, too?!


98 posted on 02/24/2005 3:07:44 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Elmer Piddlestone

Talk about tactics!? Welcome back, Retread.


100 posted on 02/24/2005 3:14:08 PM PST by PRND21
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