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Americans Lose $68 Billion to Illegals
NewsMax ^ | 02/24/2005 | Donald R. Davis and David E. Weinstein

Posted on 02/24/2005 9:18:17 AM PST by Marine Inspector

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To: Marine Inspector; wardaddy; Spiff; F16Fighter; Willie Green; monkeywrench; Travis McGee; ...
Marine Inspector, I see your post has attracted a few new applicants for the FROBLs. Actually, I think "FROBLs" may not be a sufficiently precise descriptor for this crowd. Besides, they're forever whining about not really being for open borders (even though, in some cases, when they state their positions, that is certainly the defacto result). So I will propose for our consideration a new descriptor to replace FROBLs that I believe may possibly be more accurate. What they really are: the soft on illegal aliens lobby or SOIALs.

SOIALs (former FROBLs) tell us tough enforcement measures are too expensive; can't be done; the courts will throw it out or will not convict; or the American people will never stand for it.

SOIALs (former FROBLs) "racebait" at every opportunity, especially attacking those of us who insist that ALL immigration policies be structured to ensure the protection and preservation of American culture, traditions, customs, and the english language.

So far, this has been a remarkably SOIAL-free thread. Lets hope it lasts...

61 posted on 02/24/2005 1:12:46 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Marine Inspector

With 68 billion you could effectively seal the borders.

No if ands or buts.


62 posted on 02/24/2005 1:15:19 PM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I do too. It's perfect.


63 posted on 02/24/2005 1:16:14 PM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: tdewey10
Well said.
64 posted on 02/24/2005 1:21:06 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: PRND21

have the borders & ports been secured?
have the 20 million illegals been deported?
have the employers who hire illegals been fined?
have the immigration laws been enforced?

let me know when they are...

Otherwise the only "Fantasyland" is the one in your mirror! ROFLMAO


65 posted on 02/24/2005 1:26:35 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Czar
For those who happen to like to parse things even more finely there are the subgroups SLSIALs, for those who sell legal services to illegal aliens, and MMIALs for those who's momma is an illegal alien.

Can't hurt to know exactly who your debating opponent is;)

66 posted on 02/24/2005 1:27:07 PM PST by skeeter ("A nation without borders is not a nation" RW R)
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To: kellynla

Your tactics are tiresome, Miss Kelly.


67 posted on 02/24/2005 1:36:51 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Czar
"I will propose for our consideration a new descriptor to replace FROBLs that I believe may possibly be more accurate. What they really are: the soft on illegal aliens lobby or SOIALs."

Lol...

Wait..How about just plain "SOIL"? (Soft-On-Illegals-Lobby)...

As in SOILing up Free Republic?

68 posted on 02/24/2005 1:37:15 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: kellynla; PRND21
"have the borders & ports been secured?

have the 20 million illegals been deported?

have the employers who hire illegals been fined?

have the immigration laws been enforced?

let me know when they are...

Otherwise the only 'Fantasyland' is the one in your mirror!

ROFLMAO"

Roger on that ROFL, kelly.

Somebody's been juicin' a bit early.

69 posted on 02/24/2005 1:40:04 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Somebody's been juicin' a bit early.

Jingoism and BS...Good plan. It's reflected in your election successes.

70 posted on 02/24/2005 1:43:51 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Always Right
Illegals cost us in a lot of ways, but increasing the labor force is not one of them.

It is a supply and demand thing. If the demand for labor remains constant but you increase the supply by adding lots of illegals then the price (wage) falls. The people who are hurt worst by illegal immigration are our citizens who are at the bottom of the economic ladder and have to compete with them for jobs. These are usually blacks, Hispanic-Americans and recent legal immigrants of all colors, races and creeds.

Dry wall hangers in Los Angelos used to make $18 per hour. Now illegals do this work for $8 hour. If a citizen wants to work at drywall hanging the excess labor of illegals is costing him $10 hour over what he used to earn and would earn again if the illegals were deported. The cost of housing has not fallen so this savings is not being passed onto consumers. It is being pocketed by the businesses that hire the illegals.

71 posted on 02/24/2005 1:45:06 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Marine Inspector
We have calculated the cost of this to U.S. natives in 2002 as $136 billion.

Bookmark...

72 posted on 02/24/2005 1:45:16 PM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: PRND21
"Jingoism and BS...Good plan."

Sure beats your plan -- Globalism and Surrender.

73 posted on 02/24/2005 1:47:41 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: PRND21
"Jingoism and BS...Good plan."

Sure beats your plan -- Globalism and Surrender.

74 posted on 02/24/2005 1:47:49 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: PRND21
"Jingoism and BS...Good plan."

Sure beats your plan -- Globalism and Surrender.

75 posted on 02/24/2005 1:47:50 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Re your post:

Fair enough re: item 1--we're talking about two different populations: illegal ag workers, and illegal non-ag workers. The latter being much, much more likely to commit a crime. But maybe you're right and we should look at the illegal pop as a whole.

re 2 & 3--I'm not encouraging massive illegal immigration, I'm stating that if America does not keep up in the population race we are going to lose are number one super-power status to China or India.

By 2040 w/o stepped up immigration (and not taking into account illegal immigration)
-SS will go broke, because not enough people working to pay for the retired.
-Millions of Jobs will go unfilled because of lack of workers.
-China will overtake the US as the number one super-power because of #1 & #2.


76 posted on 02/24/2005 1:48:19 PM PST by tdewey10 (America needs more people. People are power just look at China and India.)
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To: free_european

Sure "America needs more people. People are power" look at Sub-Saharan Africa, it has more than twice the population of the US and its simply bursting with power and wealth.... oh it isnt is it?

Look at China and India--they are the proper comparisons to make. Look at how China has come up from a third-world backwater to $160+ Billion trade surplus with the U.S.

Why? Because they have 1.3 Billion people.


77 posted on 02/24/2005 1:50:22 PM PST by tdewey10 (America needs more people. People are power just look at China and India.)
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To: F16Fighter
Sure beats your plan -- Globalism and Surrender.

Source?
Thanks for pointing out you are a liar, as well.

The purge was deserved, sorry you were missed.

78 posted on 02/24/2005 1:51:38 PM PST by PRND21
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To: antoninartaud

White guilt is the most pathetic excuse for every liberal failed idea. White people who feel guilty about anything should just go in the coqrner and shut up. Their guilt leads to people becoming unmotivated and lazy and believing eneverything is an entitlement.


79 posted on 02/24/2005 1:53:27 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Right Wing It

Gor forbid we promote motivation to lazy people who rather sit on their lazy fat bottom than do something.


80 posted on 02/24/2005 1:55:35 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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