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Pinellas judge extends stay, DCF jumps into Schiavo case
Miami Herald ^ | 2.23.05 | Mitch Stacy

Posted on 02/23/2005 2:12:21 PM PST by gopwinsin04

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To: gopwinsin04
It's the POT calling the kettle BLACK, and it's so TYPICAL.
181 posted on 02/23/2005 4:23:19 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: MarMema

She won't do that, either. VERY frustrating.


182 posted on 02/23/2005 4:26:00 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: gopwinsin04

If hubby was a decent person, he'd turn over responsibility to his wife's parents -- people who truly care about her. He's terrified, though, that she might become lucid at some point in time and let people know how she became disabled. Seems I heard it's a distinct possibility that he was trying to murder her, but the attempt failed, leaving her in this condition. Last thing he wants is for her to spill the beans.


183 posted on 02/23/2005 4:26:38 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: gopwinsin04; All
I just emailed Gov. Jeb. I have tremendous confidence in his judgment and abilities, as well as his good heart. I just have a feeling that help is on the way.
184 posted on 02/23/2005 4:28:33 PM PST by varina davis
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To: MayflowerMadam

//If hubby was a decent person, he'd turn over responsibility to his wife's parents -- people who truly care about her. He's terrified, though, that she might become lucid at some point in time and let people know how she became disabled. Seems I heard it's a distinct possibility that he was trying to murder her, but the attempt failed, leaving her in this condition. Last thing he wants is for her to spill the beans.//

If he had a good lawyer, he'd be able to argue that her testimony was not credible because her parents had been whispering things in her ear, yadda yadda yadda. But if it becomes too obvious that he's trying to kill her even when he can no longer deny that she's a sentient human being, that might be another story.


185 posted on 02/23/2005 4:30:26 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: .38sw
I definately got the notion that the death of the person in hospice was the goal, and that doing anything to prolong her life, such as hospitalizing her if we felt we needed to, was "not allowed"

Exactly. Two separate domains. You're either in one or the other.

Only sometimes the people are not really dying, they're just very high risk with a cardiac condition or something.

Last year I found a study funded by Soros in which chronically ill children, from homes where money was scant of course, when in a crisis were sent to a hospice instead of a hospital. I was livid.

It was a New York pilot study, which included lots of discussion about how to get past the image associated with the word "hospice" (watch, they'll be renaming it shortly) and the wonderful part about the colored walls and parents being able to be with the kids all the time. No institutional atmosphere. Great. Except no real medical care either. So the kids died. It was supposed to be nice though because they didn't have to endure simple treatments that we would have done in a hospital and would have saved them.

186 posted on 02/23/2005 4:34:21 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: freepertoo

Keep trying. Hugs.


187 posted on 02/23/2005 4:34:56 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I hope you're ill that we can't starve animals but we can (ostensibly) starve Terri.

I'd hate to think you're ill that we can't starve animals, period.


188 posted on 02/23/2005 4:36:36 PM PST by GatorGirl
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To: johnb838

My deepest condolences. My mother was in charge of the decision, and because she had ignored my input before, I didn't say anything. I was there on vacation and had to return home. My sister fought the fight against the hospice and my mother (that my father be provided with food or water if he asked for it). He died within a few days...which is my only comfort (he was dying already). My sister is still not over it, because she literally watched him die. If I knew then what I know now, I would have been aggressive in my opposition. I'm so sorry for what you have been through.


189 posted on 02/23/2005 4:37:57 PM PST by Annie03
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To: freepertoo

I was reading on another thread last night the other horror stories of people in Terri's place who are being routinely murdered in this fashion...many of them perfectly able to speak their wishes (ehhh, so what?). Some were even capable of painting pictures, walking around, etc. These people are being MURDERED!! So, Terri's fight is not just for Terri...it's for all of the others out there...our seniors (what happened to respect for the Greatest Generation?), our handicapped (would Helen Keller be killed today?), or babies...our helpless. America should NEVER, EVER, *EVER* be a place where things like this happen! EVER!

BUMP


190 posted on 02/23/2005 4:39:31 PM PST by Annie03
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To: .38sw
In fact, they suppressed her respiration and she died more quickly.

I think that's ok and perhaps what we might want too. For someone who is imminently dying and suffering, why not? If they have had time to discuss things and say goodbye...

For someone who is just mentally disabled, it's a whole new ballgame.

191 posted on 02/23/2005 4:41:37 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: freepertoo

Repeatedly changing underwear?


192 posted on 02/23/2005 4:43:12 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: gopwinsin04

Hallelujah!


193 posted on 02/23/2005 4:47:37 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC

ROFL! One can only hope.


194 posted on 02/23/2005 4:50:25 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: msp2004
"I won't even say what Michael's attorney reeks of:)"

No need. He reeks of himself.

Idea - we start using "felos" &co. as cusswords.

Example: "That's the biggest pile of greer I've ever heard!"
195 posted on 02/23/2005 4:53:02 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: gopwinsin04

**DCF involvement **

Interesting -- considering the poor job they have done for some children in Florida.

But we'll take all the help we can get!


196 posted on 02/23/2005 4:59:58 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Wampus SC

ROTFL. THat is exactly what I was thinking.


197 posted on 02/23/2005 5:08:17 PM PST by gopheraj
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To: NorCalRepub
just on the last Terri thread someone was calling for a recall of Jeb Bush

That should have been shot down not because of this intervention today -- but it was Gov Jeb Bush who intervened a couple of years ago. It is just that our Judicial system is so out of whack it ruled the Governor's action then unconstitutional

Please note, little brother Jeb can pick up the phone and call big brother George and ask for a Presidential Executive Order to intervene or even a Justice Department probe.

Also, Jeb can call his father George H W and ask for his connections to help in this matter.

And he is getting hammered with calls.

198 posted on 02/23/2005 5:17:21 PM PST by topher (Pray for our leaders -- Pray for our Chief Justice of the Supreme Court)
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To: gopwinsin04
Jeb has moved his poker chips to the center of the table here..I wouldnt bet against him!

In all honesty, he has two aces up his sleeve and two queens.

The aces are George W Bush [big brother] and George H W Bush [father and his connections. Then the queens -- the current First Lady -- Laura Bush, and the former First Lady [his mom] Barbara Bush. And his own wife Columba is Hispanic and First Lady of Florida.

I would keep up pressure on Jeb with perhaps a few emails and phone calls to the White House.

199 posted on 02/23/2005 5:21:27 PM PST by topher (Pray for our leaders -- Pray for our Chief Justice of the Supreme Court)
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To: FormerACLUmember
I don't know if you have a legal background, but do you know if this case might violate Freedom of Religion for Terri as well as the 14th Amendment of the COnstitution?

Your handle FormerACLUmember sounds like you might have constitutional and legal knowledge.

Let's just say -- do you have an opinion on the Freedom of Religion violation and the 14th Amendment being violated in this case for Terri's rights. Seems like something the ACLU should be fiercely fighting for [sarcasm].

200 posted on 02/23/2005 5:26:51 PM PST by topher (Pray for our leaders -- Pray for our Chief Justice of the Supreme Court)
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