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Report from Anti-gun conference in Phoenix
AZRKBA | Jan 19-24 | Rick DeStephens

Posted on 02/23/2005 4:43:39 AM PST by marktwain

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I know Rick, and he is a bright guy. This is fairly long, but I know that there are freepers who will be interested in the detailed reporting.
1 posted on 02/23/2005 4:43:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

My reply to gun grabbers.

1. DC- HIGH MURDER rate. Gun Ban in place since 1974.

2. NYC- HIGH MURDER rate. Gun ban in place since Sullivan Law.

3. Chicago- #1-3 in MURDERS three years running. Gun ban in place.

4. Virginia. Crime DROPPED 45% since passage of CCW Law in 1995.

5. Kennesaw Ga. Crime down a whopping 70% since passage of law making it MADATORY to have a firearm in EVERY HOUSE with firearms safety course mandatory as well.


2 posted on 02/23/2005 4:48:07 AM PST by HMFIC (Fourth Generation American INFIDEL and PROUD OF IT!)
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To: marktwain; BCR #226
Some old guy sitting next to me asked the first question. He wanted to know if they wanted to ban all guns or are his hunting guns safe? Chief Oliver said that if it were up to him all guns would be banned, but seemed to backtrack as the panel mates rocked uneasily in their chairs. They were very uncomfortable -- was Chief Oliver tipping their hand and handing over the playbook? It was said by the panel, after they collected themselves, that banning hunting guns should be avoided but I got the feeling that this was to be avoided not because these leftists were fans of hunting but because they didn't want to awake the sleeping, lethargic, frickin' stupid giant that is today's hunter (ie, Golfer With Gun).

We need this on tape.

3 posted on 02/23/2005 5:01:01 AM PST by gieriscm
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To: marktwain
Jerry Oliver, the famous black former Chief of Police from Richmond, Pasadena, and Detroit.

Although I have not met this man in person, I have heard him speak.

He is an idiot.

The author is correct in his characterization of his speaking style wherein he likens him to a Baptist preacher.

He is an educated man, but he falls into the "Ebonic Speak" quite frequently and when he does, it is actually quite embarrassing to listen to him.

I'm not sure if he has ever had an original thought or concept as most of what I've heard or read by him appeared to be slightly plagiarized.

If he is the best spokesman and advocate that the Gun Grabbers in Arizona can come up with, then it is apparent they are grasping at straws.

I submit that he will do us, the 2d Amendment supporters, much more good than he will the Gun Grabber idiots.

Being a fool is a contagious condition and he is seriously infected with it and all his "colleagues" are showing symptoms.

4 posted on 02/23/2005 5:12:18 AM PST by OldSmaj (Jihad this, Islam! Your religion is false and your god is non-existent! Come get me.)
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To: gieriscm

Yes, we do need this on tape...

Mike


5 posted on 02/23/2005 5:15:22 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: marktwain

This upclose view of THEM is chilling.


6 posted on 02/23/2005 5:29:27 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: marktwain
--excellent wrapup.

Even though the anti-gunners may appear to be losing , and may be appear incompetent, they haven't given up . They also still have their allies in the MSM.

7 posted on 02/23/2005 5:37:15 AM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: marktwain
The show began some 15-20 minutes late as they waited for the room to fill up. It didn't. Even after an hour of steady trickling, the smallish auditorium was at best 30% full.

No, no, no. They crammed 900,000 people into that room. It was a complete success. So they'll be telling us tommorow. /sarcasm

8 posted on 02/23/2005 6:01:25 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: rellimpank

They have allies in many places. I'd post this as a "vanity" if I knew how and if I were completely sure it was appropriate, but here's a recent story.

Yesterday I went into a local branch of AmSouth Bank to cash a small ($100) check from a customer. The teller asked me for ID and I gave her my drivers' license. Well, my drivers' license had a corner cracked off because it stays in my back pocket all day and gets sat on. In fact, I was on my way to renew it. She said it was "mutilated" and asked for another ID. I gave her my Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit, which is almost identical to the drivers' license - same information, same photo and state- issued. She told me that AmSouth doesn't accept that as valid ID. I said that anybody and their dog can get a drivers' license, but that those with HCPs have been background-checked. I later called AmSouth's administrative offices and was at first told that they accept any gov't.-issued ID, but then the lady talked to her supervisor and came back and told me that HCPs are one form of gov't.-issued ID that they don't accept. I asked if she could tell me what other types of gov't.-issued they don't accept, but she couldn't tell me.

If your bank won't accept a valid state issued photo ID because it's a handgun carry permit, maybe you should look for another bank.


9 posted on 02/23/2005 6:02:15 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: marktwain

LOL!

10 posted on 02/23/2005 6:03:29 AM PST by pabianice
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To: marktwain

This is a FAN-DAMN-TAST-TIC piece of citizen reporting.

If the usual smear of presstitutes had half of Mr. DeStephen's skepticism and balance, our nation's problems would begin to dissolve overnight. The author is an outstanding example of everything we need more of in the New Media. He is informed and articulate and, best of all, he thinks in terms of consequences and opportunities - like this example:

"Another person asked about privacy issues for mental records for NICS checks. The panel got a classic deer-in-the-headlights look. They were stumped initially. No, Dr. Hemenway has an answer, oh, never mind. I guess they were stumped after all. I can only suggest that this might be a wedge issue with some in the gun-grabber sect."

This is going to get sent to a few folks today. I love the freedom of the citizen press!


11 posted on 02/23/2005 6:04:59 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (What if they had to hold a bake sale to pay for the salaries at NPR?)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

--that is exactly what I would do--although in rural Nevada I suspect it wouldn't be a problem---


12 posted on 02/23/2005 6:13:03 AM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: rellimpank

I also went to their website (www.amsouth.com) and e-mailed them my thoughts on their policy. I suppose anyone here who's interested could do the same.


13 posted on 02/23/2005 6:20:14 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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--as an aside to this, I had a clerk refuse my passport as ID in '81--she had no idea what it was.


14 posted on 02/23/2005 6:33:35 AM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: rellimpank; Emmett McCarthy
as an aside to this, I had a clerk refuse my passport as ID in '81--she had no idea what it was

And then come full circle, back to the DMV --- they wouldnt accept my credit card for payment of my DRIVERS LISCENCE renewal because on the back I always 'sign' it with 'see photo ID' ...

15 posted on 02/23/2005 8:51:52 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: marktwain

The "Health Issue" agenda has been around for a long time--I think it began during the X42 administration with CDC.

But that approach doesn't work. Here in Milwaukee an ER doc teamed up with an ex-Planned Parenthood type (money from the Chicago-based anti-gun bunch...) and these two got NOWHERE with the agenda.

Hope they keep trying--it won't work.


16 posted on 02/23/2005 9:33:10 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

Howdy gang.

It's been so long since I've been on FR that I had to create another account.

It was very difficult to hold my tongue at this symposium. But, sometimes we need to change tactics to get a different view.

Here is the link to the Arizona Jr. High Power Rifle Team, (placed second at Camp Perry in 2004). Notice the number of girls on the team holding their RockRiverArms National Match AR-15s. Some of these members are from the Wickenburg HS team which I mentioned above.

http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/azrifleteam.html

Uh... I can't find the AR-15 pose. They've updated the web page.

http://users.cableaz.com/%7Ejrshooting/2004gcsg/mini-az%20games%204.jpg


Also, here is a link to the Chicago Tribune article.

http://www.gunlaws.com/CCWBanquetIn%20ChiTrib.htm

The woman who was quoted describing gun-toting as a "fashion statement" was interviewed for 45 minutes by the Trib reporter. She mentioned numerous salient facts about self defense, training, RKBA, and gun laws. After her interview she turned to a fellow gunnie and asked him how she did. He said that she did fine, but that he added that he knew which quote he was going to use and that he would get even that simple quote wrong. The seasoned gunnie activist was correct. "Fashion statement." The reporter later defended his use of that quote as being "representative of the 45 minute interview (and he claimed it wasn't really 45 minutes).

Rick


17 posted on 02/23/2005 8:23:56 PM PST by AZRickD
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Aw, wait a minute.

Wrong high power team.

This is the Arizona Junior team with rifle pics...

http://www.members.cox.net/azjrhp/azjrhp.htm


18 posted on 02/23/2005 10:28:58 PM PST by AZRickD
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To: Emmett McCarthy
If your bank won't accept a valid state issued photo ID because it's a handgun carry permit, maybe you should look for another bank.

Pretty much the only place that will accept Illinois' FOID as a valid form of ID are gun stores and ranges.

State offices have this boilerplate disclaimer that they cannot accept the FOID because it is "self generated".

All this hassle, and it's not even good as a carry permit -- Illinois has no provisions for "civilian" CHL. Sure, the Chicago city council members can carry, but not the peons.

19 posted on 02/24/2005 10:40:43 PM PST by Nonesuch (Feinstein, so many rhymes, so little time...)
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To: Nonesuch

Tennessee's Handgun Carry Permit is not "self-generated" at all. It is almost the same in appearance as our DL - laminated, photo, all the same information and issued by the Dep't. of Safety. I don't ever show it unless I'm asked to show a 2nd form of ID for some reason or at a traffic stop when I'm carrying a gun. I take it that in Illinois, you have to have state permission to even OWN a gun.


20 posted on 02/25/2005 5:04:08 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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