Posted on 02/21/2005 7:04:50 AM PST by Alex Marko
How very weak of you to allow others to keep you away from the truth.
You talk big and are full of bluster, but you've just revealed yourself to be quite a wimp.
I could go to great lengths to provide (empirical) evidence that the New Testament is a valid, historic document, but there is no sense in continuing a conversation with someone who has been indeed brainwashed, and is so much in fear of studying the evidence in front of him.
My final words to you, orion. Find out about the God created You, the world you live in and even the constellation you name yourself after...... don't be afraid of what you'll find out.
As to the "redneck" aspect of this. The area of evolution, (with the ardent science worshippers who argue it's validity here), is where I have found a bizarre brand of liberalism in those who claim to belong on this conservative forum. (Making it clear that I don't think all those who believe in 'theistic evolution' fit the category of 'worshippers' like this guy does. With them, I just have a difference of opinion)
They routinely ridicule people of faith. They routinely ridicule God's word, yet I think consider themselves to be conservatives.
It just doesn't fit, does it?
> How very weak of you ...
> you've just revealed yourself to be quite a wimp.
> brainwashed
BINGO! We have a winner. Another "Christian" doing his damnedest to drive away others.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1347621/posts
It's Bush's fault.
> He is just afraid of what he's going to find out if he looks....
Entirely 180 degrees backwards, actually. There is little more I'd love to be true than the Christian notions of the afterlife, and what is necessarily associated with that. However, wishing something were so and knowing it to be so are not necessarily the same things.
> They routinely ridicule people of faith. They routinely ridicule God's word, yet I think consider themselves to be conservatives.
By "people of faith" are you referring to Muslims?By "God's word" do you mean the Koran?
You didn't have to tell me you were afraid of Christianity because some people scared you away when you were a kid.........but you did.
You're just afraid to admit your own responsibility in this. You blame others for your own weakness. You're not the 'victim' here.
It just won't fly for anyone who's thinking rationally (i.e. not you)...... it won't fly.
Ignore me. Read God's love letter to YOU. Your cynical veneer of bravado and bluster doesn't hide the fact that you need God as much as we do.
> You didn't have to tell me you were afraid of Christianity because ...
It's not true. What is it with you that makes you think that those who leave the faith are "afraid" of anything? I think I know why: you look upon the notion of apostasy with fear, so you think all others do as well. Your myopia does not control the world, however.
> You're just afraid to admit your own responsibility in this.
Incorrect. When I grew up, I put away childish things. Since Christianity had become for me a very childish thing, I put it away. People like you convinced me that it is a childish thing.
> Ignore me.
Why? And miss out on what the true core of SuperChristianity is?
You have chosen to reject God. Blaming others for it (as you do), and not your own decision is what makes you weak.
When I was a kid, I had one substitute Sunday School teacher who said that the Bible taught that Negroes were meant to be slaves to white people. What would it say about me if I rejected all the truths in God's word, and ran away from Christianity because of this ignorant, and very UN-Christ-like Christian in my past? Not much.
But, that's exactly what you have done. And you are still blaming others for your own choice. You are playing the victim, when you have made the choice yourself to ignore God's call.
I'm not any form of 'Super Christian' but I do want others to experience the love of Christ, and I share it with them.
I am powerless and weak, but God is omnipotent. It is He whom I would like you to find......and the peace that passes all human understanding.
I will leave you with the words of Jesus.....
I am the Resurrection and the Life. He that believes in Me will live, even though he dies; , yet shall he live. And whoever lives and believes in Me, will never die. Do you believe this? .....John 11: 25
> You have chosen to reject God.
If it helps you sleep better to believe that, go for it. In all honesty, your simplistic views are entertaining.
> You are playing the victim
Only if you believe that those who think for themselves are "victims." I happen not to agree.
> I'm not any form of 'Super Christian' but I do want others to experience the love of Christ, and I share it with them.
And you insult and berate and rebuke those who do not believe as you do. Your choice.
> What would it say about me if I rejected all the truths in God's word, and ran away from Christianity because of this ignorant, and very UN-Christ-like Christian in my past?
Well, if you were *surrounded* by such nonsense for years, coming from a multitude of sources... it would say you've grown up.
Hearing Creationist claptrap from a few random nutjobs would not be enough to de-Christianize too many people. But noting the relatively vast size of the movement leads a rational person to understand that a good chunk of the religion is based on hogwash. If a religion claims to be Inerrant, and yet is massively and obviously flawed on some pretty basic facts, then seeing it as a lie becomes not just easy, but inevitable.
For the record: I have not "rejected God." I have rejected *you*, however. And since you see yourself as God's representative, you see rejection of you and your beliefs as rejection of God.
You would not be the first person to hold yourself up as God's equal in these matters, and you won't be the last.
I don't want you to pay a single bit of attention to what I've said, other than to go to God's Word and read what it says.
Peace, orion.
> I don't want you to pay a single bit of attention to what I've said
Do-loop.
So, orion..............I read this yesterday, and was going to ignore it (because it was so stupid and it made me laugh out loud), but I thought I'd come back today and give you a little parental advice ..............
Maybe you should consider the next time that you're ranting against Christians, not using the "I'm too mature to be a Christian" angle, followed by childish silliness like this. My advice......choose one or the other. (Even your clever 'whatever' retort is a step up from 'Do-loop.')
Just a suggestion, not spiritually related, but kinda common sense, and hopefully helpful to your Christians-are-bad-people-and-I'm-smarter-than-they-are line of attack...... :o)
> the next time that you're ranting against Christians
I was not ranting against "Christians." I was ranting against Christians like *you.* You do NOT speak for the whole group, much as you might want to.
I gotta tell ya, though... you got that whole *pride* thing down pat.
Very clever.......and you're good at it.
Now why don't you try to actually address anything I've said? Can you do it?
I mean without the 'you're a bad person' angle?
You've said you're not a Christian because there are bad people (like me) who are Christians.
Defend that with logic and reasoning.
You've said that you're not a Christian because Christians (like me) are childish, and Christianity is childish, and then you say "Do Loop" As a defense.
As a reasoning adult, defend your use of that word (without attacking me).
Please. Do it. Try.
You have stated clearly that you have rejected Christianity because of the negative influence of Christians (like me) in your life.
So this is what I want you to verify, or explain for me (and anyone lurking)........
You, orionblamblam, have rejected Jesus Christ, God incarnate, holy and sinless, who suffered, bled and died on a cross because of His love for you, orionblamblam.......who was buried in a tomb for three days, and arose from the dead.......who lives today at the right hand of His Father, waiting for you, orionblamblam, to accept His unending love for you.
You have rejected all of this because of me, and others like me? Is that what you are saying?
If not, please......without insults and evasion........explain what you really meant.
> You've said you're not a Christian because there are bad people (like me) who are Christians.
No, I didn't. I said that the existence of a large number of Christians who made it plain that to be a Christian meant one has to beleive the patently absurd led me to wander away from the faith. Getting kicked out of Sunday school didn;t help, either...
> You've said that you're not a Christian because Christians (like me) are childish, and Christianity is childish, and then you say "Do Loop" As a defense.
Again incorrect. "Do-loop" was in response to your statement "I don't want you to pay a single bit of attention to what I've said." How can I take that advice when you just told me not to take your advice?
So you reject the Christ of the cross who loved you because of absurd people in your past, people like me, and getting kicked out of Sunday School?
Is that right?
> you have rejected Christianity because of the negative influence of Christians
That was one major reason, yes.
> You, orionblamblam, have rejected Jesus Christ
No. There's a difference between not accepting as fact and wholly rejecting.
> explain what you really meant
It's really quite simple.
1: Claim is made that the Bible is Without Error
2: However, taken literally (as opposed to allegorically) the Bible is CHock Full O' Error
Conclusion: somebody is lying to me. Either it's a lie when they say the Bible is error free (in which cas ethe Bible is nothign particularly special), or they are lying to me when they say that Creation and Noah myths are not allegory but instead literal fact.
In either case, when a reasonably intelligent child realizes thathis religious elders are lyign to him about their religion, that child begins to question the *entire* religion. Since science fully and satisfactorally answers the questions raised by those lies, and since science has immediate practical application in all aspects of life and yet says nothign about the existence or even necessity of a god or gods... agnosticism is a reasonable result.
And when as an adult many Christians continue their practice of lying (such lies as "those who use science and do not believe in God are thus 'worshipping' themselves or science or Mankind" or some such similar BS), that adult can only shake his head at the childishness of it all.
> So you reject the Christ of the cross who loved you because of absurd people in your past, people like me, and getting kicked out of Sunday School?
It was a big push in the right direction. The enforced silliness opened my eyes, and reason took me the rest of the way.
You are basing your view that the Bible is "chock full of errors" on insufficient information, which you could correct with more personal research.
As I have suggested in past posts, you might consider doing your own investigation, and not basing your views on the incorrect, or impartial things people have told you in the past.
On another thread, an older man (also an ardent evolutionist) said he had rejected Christianity because a Sunday School teacher had told him that women had one more rib than men, and thus was also 'lying' to him. If you look at what he was saying (or you) from an objective perspective, both arguments against Christianity fall short of logic.........especially for a scientific mind. The human error of the teacher does not negate the truth of God's word.
Christians aren't perfect. They make mistakes. Sometimes, they even go over the top with sarcasm. ;o)
You need to go to the Christ of Christian Scriptures (without error) and study what He has really said and done, and you will find out that His (historically provable) life is a fact, and His love for you is also a fact.
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