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In Six Days (A Biology PHD looks at Evolution)
In Six Days ^ | 02/17/05 | Timothy G. Standish, PHD biology

Posted on 02/17/2005 3:10:32 PM PST by DannyTN

Timothy G. Standish, biology First published in In Six Days Science and origins testimony #9

Edited by John F. Ashton

Dr. Standish is associate professor of biology at Andrews University in Berrien Springs, Michigan. He holds a B.S. in zoology from Andrews University, an M.S. in biology from Andrews University, and a Ph.D. in biology and public policy from George Mason University (University of Virginia), Charlottesville, Virginia. He teaches genetics at Andrews University and is currently researching the genetics of cricket (Achita domesticus) behavior.

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Reading The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins was a pivotal experience for me. I had recently started my Ph.D. program at George Mason University and eagerly signed up for a class entitled “Problems in Evolutionary Theory.” The Blind Watchmaker was required reading, and with growing enthusiasm I noted glowing endorsements printed on the cover. According to The Economist, this book was “as readable and vigorous a defense of Darwinism as has been published since 1859.” Lee Dembart, writing for the Los Angeles Times, was even more effusive: “Every page rings of truth. It is one of the best science books—of the best of any books—I have ever read.” A book that was “Winner of the Royal Society of Literature’s Heinemann Prize, and the Los Angeles Times Book Award” must contain nothing but undistilled brilliance. I felt smug with confidence as I paid for the book and left the store, brimming with ebullience to start reading.

After wading through all the hyperbole, I was stunned by the ideas put forward by Dawkins in The Blind Watchmaker. Rhetoric burnished the arguments with a glittering sheen, briefly giving the impression that pebbles were gems. But once each metaphor was stripped aside, the core ideas did not support the idea that natural selection could account for the origin of life and the meaningful complexity of organisms. Most startling to me was the realization that, one of the book’s core theses, in fact, violated the principle of natural selection.

Dawkins wove two ideas together in supporting Darwinism. The first idea was that, given enough chances, the improbable becomes probable. For example, flipping a coin ten times in a row and getting heads each time is very unlikely; one would only expect it to happen about 1 in 1,024 tries. Most of us would not sit around flipping coins just to see it happen, but if we had a million people flipping coins, we would see it happen many times. This phenomenon is publicized in the newspapers when lottery winners are announced. Winning a million-dollar jackpot is unlikely, but with millions of people purchasing tickets, eventually someone wins.

Dawkins admits that the odds on life starting from a random collection of chemicals is very slim, but given an immense universe and the billions of years it has existed, the improbable becomes probable. In this is echoed the logic of Ernst Haeckel, who wrote in his book The Riddle of the Universe, published in 1900:

Many of the stars, the light of which has taken thousands of years to reach us, are certainly suns like our own mother-sun, and are girt about with planets and moons, just as in our solar system. We are justified in supposing that thousands of these planets are in a similar stage of development to that of our earth … and that from its nitrogenous compounds, protoplasm has been evolved—that wonderful substance which alone, as far as our knowledge goes, is the possessor of organic life.

Haeckel was optimistic about the presence of conditions that could support life on planets other than earth, and it is in this that one of the problems with Dawkins’ argument emerges. While the universe is immense, those places where life as we know it could survive, let alone come into being, seem to be few and far between. So far, only one place has been discovered where conditions for life are present, and we are already living on it. Thus, there is not much cause for optimism that the universe is teeming with planets bathed in a primordial soup from which life might evolve. Dawkins wrote glibly of the immensity of the universe and its age, but failed to provide one example, other than the earth, where the unlikely event of spontaneous generation of life might occur. Even if the universe were teeming with proto-earths, and the spans of time suggested by modern science were available, this is still not a great argument, as if something is impossible—in other words, the odds of it happening are zero—then it will never happen, not even in an infinite amount of time. For example, even if we had our million people flipping coins, each with ten flips in a row, the odds on any one of them flipping and getting 11 heads in ten tries is zero because the odds of getting 11 heads in ten tries with one person is zero. The bottom line is that the odds on life evolving from nonliving precursors is essentially zero. Ironically, this was the stronger of the two ideas, or arguments, presented by Dawkins.

The second argument was presented as an analogy: imagine a monkey typing on a typewriter with 27 keys, all the letters in the English alphabet and the space bar. How long would it take for the monkey to type something that made any sense? Dawkins suggests the sentence spoken by William Shakespeare’s Hamlet who, in describing a cloud, pronounces, “Methinks it is like a weasel.” It is not a long sentence and contains very little meaning, but it works for argument’s sake. How many attempts at typing this sentence would it take a monkey, which would presumably be hitting keys randomly, to type the sentence?

As it turns out, the odds can be easily calculated as the probability of getting each letter or space correct raised to the power of the number of positions at which they have to be correct. In this case, the probability of the monkey typing “m” at the first position of the sentence is 1/27 (we won’t worry about capitalization). The sentence has 28 characters in it, so the probability is (1/27)28 or 1.2 x 10–40. That is about one chance in 12,000 million million million million million million! You would want a lot of monkeys typing very fast for a long time if you ever wanted to see this happen!

To overcome this problem with probability, Dawkins proposed that natural selection could help by fixing each letter in place once it was correct and thus lowering the odds massively. In other words, as a monkey types away, it is not unlikely that at least one of the characters it types will be in the correct position on the first try. If this letter was then kept and the monkey was only allowed to type in the remaining letters until it finally had the correct letter at each position, the odds fall to the point that the average diligent monkey could probably finish the task in an afternoon and still have time to gather bananas and peanuts from admiring observers. Dawkins got his computer to do it in between 40 and 70 tries.

Luckily I had taken biochemistry before reading The Blind Watchmaker. Organisms are made of cells, and those cells are composed of little protein machines that do the work of the cell. Proteins can be thought of as sentences like “Methinks it is like a weasel,” the difference being that proteins are made up of 20 different subunits called amino acids instead of the 27 different characters in our example. The evolution of a functional protein would presumably start out as a random series of amino acids one or two of which would be in the right position to do the function the protein is designed to do. According to Dawkins’ theory, those amino acids in the right location in the protein would be fixed by natural selection, while those that needed to be modified would continue to change until they were correct, and a functional protein was produced in relatively short order. Unfortunately, this ascribes an attribute to natural selection that even its most ardent proponents would question, the ability to select one nonfunctional protein from a pool of millions of other nonfunctional proteins.

Changing even one amino acid in a protein can alter its function dramatically. A famous example of this is the mutation that causes sickle cell anemia in humans. This disease causes a multitude of symptoms, ranging from liver failure to tower skull syndrome. It is caused by the replacement of an amino acid called glutamate, normally at position number six, with another amino acid called valine. This single change causes a massive difference in how the alpha globin subunit of hemoglobin works. The ultimate sad consequence of this seemingly insignificant mutation in the protein causes premature death in thousands of individuals each year. In other proteins, mutations to some, but not all, areas can result in a complete loss of function. This is particularly true if the protein is an enzyme, and the mutation is in its active site.

What Dawkins is suggesting is that a very large group of proteins, none of which is functional, can be acted on by natural selection to select out a few that, while they do not quite do the job yet, with some modification via mutation, can do the job in the future. This suggests that natural selection has some direction or goal in mind, a great heresy to those who believe evolutionary theory.

This idea of natural selection fixing amino acids as it constructs functional proteins is also unsupported by the data. Cells do not churn out large pools of random proteins on which natural selection can then act. If anything, precisely the opposite is true. Cells only produce the proteins they need to make at that time. Making other proteins, even unneeded functional ones, would be a wasteful thing for cells to do, and in many cases, could destroy the ability of the cell to function. Most cells only make about 10% of the proteins they are capable of producing. This is what makes liver cells different from those in the skin or brain. If all proteins were expressed all the time, all cells would be identical.

In reality, the problem of evolving life is much more complex than generation of a single functional protein. In fact, a single protein is just the tip of the iceberg. A living organism must have many functional proteins, all of which work together in a coordinated way. In the course of my research, I frequently physically disrupt cells by grinding them in liquid nitrogen. Sometimes I do this to obtain functional proteins, but more often to get the nucleic acids RNA or DNA. In any case, I have yet to find that the protein or nucleic acid I was working on was not functional after being removed from the cell, and yet, even though all the cell components were present and functional following disruption, I have never observed a single cell start to function again as a living organism, or even part of a living organism. For natural selection to occur, all proteins on which it is to act must be part of a living organism composed of a host of other functional protein machines. In other words, the entire system must exist prior to selection occurring, not just a single protein.

“Problems in Evolutionary Theory” was a class that made me realize the difficulties those who discount the possibility of a Creator have with their own theories. The problems with evolutionary theory were real, and there were no simple convincing resolutions.

Progressing in my studies, I slowly realized that evolution survives as a paradigm only as long as the evidence is picked and chosen and the great pool of data that is accumulating on life is ignored. As the depth and breadth of human knowledge increases, it washes over us a flood of evidence deep and wide, all pointing to the conclusion that life is the result of design. Only a small subset of evidence, chosen carefully, may be used to construct a story of life evolving from nonliving precursors. Science does not work on the basis of picking and choosing data to suit a treasured theory. I chose the path of science which also happens to be the path of faith in the Creator.

I believe God provides evidence of His creative power for all to experience personally in our lives. To know the Creator does not require an advanced degree in science or theology. Each one of us has the opportunity to experience His creative power in re-creating His character within us, step by step, day by day.

This chapter from the book In Six Days, published and graciously provided at no charge to Answers in Genesis by Master Books, a division of New Leaf Press (Green Forest, Arkansas).


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To: RadioAstronomer
Only in the microwave band. TV and other stuff at the lower frequencies get attenuated pretty quickly. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending how you see it) "I Love Lucy" is not going to the stars.

Sure it is, as spillover from the satellite uplinks of the reruns, which IIRC are in the microwave band.

81 posted on 02/17/2005 8:08:52 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: VadeRetro; antihannityguy

The problem with that skull chart is that it's a lot like lining up cars and saying they evolved from each other.

"A" is a modern chimpanzee skull. They aren't considered by evolutionists to be human ancestry, so why is it even there?

"B,C,D,E,&F" are all an extinct ape named arithopicenes(sp). They aren't considered ancestral to or from chimpanzees. F is skull 1470 which was originally found in 100 pieces and reconstructed to have a flat face like a human. After Creationist Scientists were allowed to examine it and started pointing out features that were clearly arithopicenes in nature, it was reconstructed with a sloping face and reclassed into the ape category.

Skull G is considered human but looks to be a terrible specimen. I'm not sure you can draw any conclusions fro it.

"H" and "I" are considered early humans.

"M&N" are modern humans. "J,K,L" Are all Neanderthal skulls. Neanderathals aren't considered to be ancestral to modern humans either. They were contemporaries of modern humans and actually lived with modern humans. Their skulls were on average larger than modern humans, but you can't tell that from your chart, making me think they either aren't representative or aren't to scale.

Bottom line is you have a row of ape skulls and a row of human skulls. You don't really have the progression that's intended to portray.


82 posted on 02/17/2005 8:15:18 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: shubi

I don't agree with the six-day thing, either. But, on the other hand, I am not sure someone who does make that part of his framework of faith deserves to be ridiculed like that, especially here. It's that sort of attitude that makes me suspect there is more to the pro-evolution stance than cold science.

Are you honestly afraid that all the DannyTNs out there are going to plunge us into another Dark Ages? Is that going to be a part of the coming Bush Theocracy I'm always hearing about?

With all due respect, it is disappointing, and does absolutely nothing to help persuade other people to your point of view.


83 posted on 02/17/2005 8:19:10 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (12" Powerbook, Airport, surfing FR anywhere I want to)
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To: DannyTN
"Doesn't matter. The Bible reiterates Morning and Night. That article can be missing all it wants, you don't get a super long eon, morning and night.'

How can you have morning and night before you have the Sun? The Sun wasn't created until the fourth day. Gen 2:4 defines the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest as an indefinite period of time. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, (Ge 2:4).

Did God make the earth and the heavens in six days or one as the Bible says here?

Also, God rested on the seventh day and must be still resting because He hasn't started creating anything since. I think that seventh day must be still going on after all these thousands of years or you will have to say the Bible lied.

"What's more evolution as it has been presented to us, includes man. The Bible says God created woman from Adam's rib. So how do you reconcile that with evolution?"

No doubt about it, a literal reading of Adam and Eve makes the Bible wrong again. That is why you must read it as a spiritual metaphor for creation of the Spirit that separates humans from animals and is the image of God in us.

"It says each animal was created from the ground after it's own kind. I suppose that is subject to interpretation, but it's at best an extremely awkward way of saying "each animal was modified from the other animals"?"

This is a confusing passage for literalists. I will make it more confusing for you. Did you know that Adam and the Hebrew word for ground are the same word? So it is all speculation whether Adam came from ground or ground came from ground or animals came from Adam or animals came from ground or what.

I don't think anyone can understand this passage if taken literally, but that is just a theory.
84 posted on 02/17/2005 8:21:41 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: SalukiLawyer

Humor is the best way to point out human foibles.

I happen to be a Christian and a Bible scholar. So, if you don't want to hear about the flaws in literalist interpretation, fine.

I also know that too many people who think they are being good Christians are being duped into ruining science education in this country.

We can't have that. In the 20 years I have tried to teach people the science, not one creationist has ever stopped repeating the scam artist nonsense back to me, after I patiently exposed it as a complete fraud. I now am exposing the literalist Bible view as complete nonsense also.

What is disappointing is people trying to corrupt the Gospel with misinterpretation of Genesis.


85 posted on 02/17/2005 8:28:18 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: jwalsh07

If those quotes are actual(I suspect any quotes from creationists since they have been shown to quote out of context and actually alter quotes of scientists), the texts are incorrect. I would tell my students the truth. We don't know how life originated on Earth.

From that origin, I would also tell them it is almost sure that evolution is a fact and the ToE explains the mechanisms for evolution. The ToE is continually updated as new scientific studies come out.


86 posted on 02/17/2005 8:34:03 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
If those quotes are actual(I suspect any quotes from creationists since they have been shown to quote out of context and actually alter quotes of scientists), the texts are incorrect.

The quotes are accurate and you're a Christian, or so you say, which means necessarily you are a creationist. Do you believe anything you say to yourself?

87 posted on 02/17/2005 8:36:41 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: SalukiLawyer

"Bottom line is, once you have proven the regular transformation of one species into a completely different one (and I'm not sure that's been done) you still have to explain why and how that happens."

There are hundreds of observed speciations. There is not that much difference between mother and daughter species. There are only an average of 4 speciations in an organism in nature in a million years. It takes quite a bit of time for allele changes to accumulate enough to designate a new Genus or larger group.


88 posted on 02/17/2005 8:37:01 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: microgood

"Science does well when its theories can be verified empirically, and macroevolution cannot."

If you think macroevolution is any different than the process of microevolution, you are a creationist.


89 posted on 02/17/2005 8:39:46 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: jwalsh07

I am not a creationist in the creation science ID scam artist sense.

I believe God created the universe when He said "let there be light". I respect God enough to think He would not have to make continual corrections after that.


90 posted on 02/17/2005 8:41:45 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: DannyTN
1. There is a theory hypothesis on speed of light changing...
2. there are theories conjectures about inflation of the universe and relativistic and temporal effects that may have resulted in the universe aging at a different rate than Earth...
3. There's a theory speculation I have about God and time...
4. There is a theory wild-assed guess that God created the light from the stars in transit...
91 posted on 02/17/2005 8:43:20 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: shubi
I believe God created the universe when He said "let there be light".

That makes you a small c creationist. You'll have to live with that.

92 posted on 02/17/2005 8:44:27 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Liberal Classic

LOL! Be careful or that lawyer feller maht getcha.


93 posted on 02/17/2005 8:45:36 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Stultis
Here's a guy pursuing a PhD ....

at a Seventh-day Adventist institution of higher education

94 posted on 02/17/2005 8:46:07 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Havoc
Yeah, everyone once thought for long periods due to deep science that the earth was flat. I just can't imagine how they could be wrong.

Because the Bible said so.

95 posted on 02/17/2005 8:47:54 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: shubi

I found it to be a thoughtful post, but illustrates the misuse of the word 'theory.'


96 posted on 02/17/2005 8:48:14 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: shubi
We can't have that. In the 20 years I have tried to teach people the science, not one creationist has ever stopped repeating the scam artist nonsense back to me, after I patiently exposed it as a complete fraud. I now am exposing the literalist Bible view as complete nonsense also.

Well, I dunno that it is any of my business if a Christian wants to believe in six days or God with a long beard or whatever. I guess I just don't see what it hurts. I have learned to respect someone's Christian faith as a precious and sometimes delicate thing. There comes a point when winning the argument isn't worth the sick feeling you get later on when you wonder if you caused someone to stumble, and wonder about the role of your own vainglory in the debate. I am not a Bible scholar, nor an evolutionary scientist, and could only call myself a Christian through self-flattery. But I do argue for a living and have learned what a vanity and chasing after the wind that can be.
97 posted on 02/17/2005 8:48:52 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (12" Powerbook, Airport, surfing FR anywhere I want to)
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To: El Gato
Sure it is, as spillover from the satellite uplinks of the reruns, which IIRC are in the microwave band.

LOL! You got me! :-)

98 posted on 02/17/2005 8:56:37 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: DannyTN

Thanks.


99 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:16 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: shubi

Have you looked at a Hebrew Bible, or do you just pick these tidbits from a parallel universe?


100 posted on 02/17/2005 9:04:24 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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