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FairTax.Org HR25
WWW.FAIRTAX.ORG ^ | Last Week | Thomas Leser

Posted on 02/13/2005 10:41:05 AM PST by nsmart

The FairTax is the non-partisan national sales tax proposal that would replace all federal income taxes. These include personal, estate, gift, self-employment, alternative minimum, capital gains, FICA, and corporate and death taxes.

(Excerpt) Read more at WWW.FAIRTAX.ORG ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: consumptiontax; endincometax; fairtax; fairtaxorg; hr25; incometaxes; taxes; taxreform
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To: Principled
Fair Tax FAQ
101 posted on 02/13/2005 3:20:12 PM PST by Principled
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To: Principled
I understand how it works, and I agree with it. I was stating the logic against the bit that was quoted:

"but if necessities are exempted - and I think they should be exempted"

Sorry for the confusion ...

102 posted on 02/13/2005 3:26:05 PM PST by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: nsmart

TWO QUESTIONS:

A) How would this Fair Tax affect the native american nations that have set up shop and refuse to pay any state tax?

b)
what would be the definition of New vs. used ie. could a car dealer drive a car around the block and sell it as used?


103 posted on 02/13/2005 3:49:06 PM PST by SirTaurus (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!)
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To: nsmart
HR 25 has somewhere around 50 cosponsors..

I also know that Mr. Chambliss (R.GA.) of the Senate is on board. I don't know what other senators have signed on.

104 posted on 02/13/2005 3:53:19 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: SirTaurus

As with any tax, there will be cheaters. There will also be a lot less enforcement needed. I can't imagine Wal-Mart trying to cheat and risking the sanction.


105 posted on 02/13/2005 3:56:35 PM PST by nsmart
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To: groanup

Yes, there is a similar bill in the Senate.

S.25
Fair Tax Act of 2005 (Introduced in Senate)

January 24, 2005

Mr. CHAMBLISS introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance

To promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./temp/~c109pfufG9:e414:


106 posted on 02/13/2005 3:59:36 PM PST by nsmart
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To: Principled
I really don't care tho if prices rise. Experts tell us that they won't. Either way, the benefits we get from this overall FAR outweigh the bad parts. JMHO

We can debate the economics of consumer price levels post NRST til the cows come home. I think all would agree that there will be beneficial rollback of the price of goods and services due to competitive forces and the tax and regulatory relief the plan affords. But I don't see any debate on the stimulative effect of taxing consumption vs. earnings. That, to me, is the clincher of the whole argument. The naysayers are not seeing the forest for the trees. When you have phenomenal prosperity and freedom from intrusive taxes you can afford to pay a little more for your next boat.

107 posted on 02/13/2005 4:00:23 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: SirTaurus

You asked about native americans.. anyone born in this hemisphere is a native american... ergo, I am a native American. But if you mean the American Indian nations, I assume their sovereignty still trumps fed law.


108 posted on 02/13/2005 4:01:23 PM PST by nsmart
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To: groanup

Defintion of a boat:

Hole in the water you pour money into.


109 posted on 02/13/2005 4:03:05 PM PST by nsmart
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To: SirTaurus
A) How would this Fair Tax affect the native american nations that have set up shop and refuse to pay any state tax?

The Fair Tax does not affect state taxes at all.

b) what would be the definition of New vs. used ie. could a car dealer drive a car around the block and sell it as used?

As with any taxation abuses may occur. While it is proposed that the IRS be abolished there would necessarily be an enforcement arm of the new entity. Such an overt abuse as driving a car around the block and selling it as used would and should be actionable, IMHO.

110 posted on 02/13/2005 4:05:01 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: nsmart
Hole in the water you pour money into.

The two happiest days of a boat owner's life: the day he buys the boat and the day he sells it.

111 posted on 02/13/2005 4:06:20 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: groanup

LOL


112 posted on 02/13/2005 4:06:39 PM PST by nsmart
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To: dread78645

Thank you for clearing it up for me :0)


113 posted on 02/13/2005 4:26:42 PM PST by Principled
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To: groanup
A) How would this Fair Tax affect the native american nations that have set up shop and refuse to pay any state tax? The Fair Tax does not affect state taxes at all.

Here in central NY we have the Onieda Nation. They started with a bingo hall and evolved into a mega casino entertainment complex featuring golf courses, hotel and retail gas and cigarette outlets.

They're buying up land by the hand full and claiming it to be sovereign. I would suspect they would be exempt from the fair tax start selling everything.

Maybe my point is they're a perfect example of what one can due when they are not burden with taxes.

114 posted on 02/13/2005 4:28:57 PM PST by SirTaurus (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!)
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To: nsmart
Just having the federal government's boot off of each and every individual's neck will be such a relief. I have to tell the IRS more about my finances then I would feel comfortable telling my own grown kids.

Finally! 65 posts int the thread and someone FINALLY gets it! Congratulations!

For me there is only one issue in this argument and that issue is
F R E E D O M ! ! !

Either we will continue to suffer the communist inspired mess we currently have were every one of us is noting more that a chattel, a SLAVE, or we can force our employees in Washington to pass into law HR25/S25 and once again be FREE MEN in the sense that our founders intended.

115 posted on 02/13/2005 4:32:50 PM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: SirTaurus
Maybe my point is they're a perfect example of what one can due when they are not burden with taxes.

Bingo! No pun intended.

116 posted on 02/13/2005 4:33:27 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: maine-iac7
They'll have a hard time explaining why they've been screaming for "the RICH" to pay their fair share - when this plan assures that they finally do, without all the loopholes they've built in for themselves in the present system

Glory be! Go directly to the head of the class my friend! Hit the nail SQUARELY on its head!

117 posted on 02/13/2005 4:37:34 PM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: mombrown1
Imagine companies around the world wanting to build businesses in the US because they would not be taxed.

Imagine some 6.5 TRILLION dollars currently held in foreign accounts being repatriated to the good ole USA virtually overnight because they can now do that without any tax consequence!

Imagine another 1 TRILLION dollars minimum every 5 years being wasted dealing with this current mess being put to more productive uses!

118 posted on 02/13/2005 4:43:00 PM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun

or in my case, free woman. But yes.. this has been my thought all along. Its why I brought this post to Free Republic... to awaken folks to the possibilities.


119 posted on 02/13/2005 4:48:35 PM PST by nsmart
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To: nsmart
When you can spare the time click on my name and check out the links.

I've been involved in the discussions here on FR since March of 1998 and involved in the movement since 1993.

We ARE going to get this done!

120 posted on 02/13/2005 4:53:10 PM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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