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Israel downed 2 Syrian MiGslast September over sea
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Posted on 02/11/2005 10:50:28 AM PST by lnbchip

Israel downed 2 Syrian MiGs last September over sea

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Friday, February 11, 2005

Diplomatic sources said Israel Air Force F-16 multi-role fighters intercepted and downed two Syrian MiG-29 fighter-jets last year. The sources said the dogfight took place in September 2004 over the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

This was the first engagement between Israeli and Syrian fighter-jets since the 1980s. The sources said the air battle took place when Israel Air Force fighter-jets buzzed the Syrian city of Latakia, a port used by Iran for the shipment of weapons to Hizbullah.

The Washington-based Reform Party of Syria first provided details of the Israeli-Syrian dogfight. RPS said the air battle took place on Sept. 14, 2004, adding that both downed pilots were rescued by Syrian military helicopters, Middle East Newsline reported.

RPS, quoting a European source, said the Israeli fighter-jets used an Israeli-origin Python-4 air-to-air missile to down one of the MiG-29s. The other Syrian MiG-29 was shot down by a U.S.-origin AIM-9M Sidewinder.

The pilots of the MiG-29s were identified by RPS as Maj. Arshad Midhat Mubarak and Capt. Ahmad Al Khatib.

Diplomatic sources said the Syrian losses led President Bashar Assad to accelerate efforts to procure advanced anti-aircraft systems from Russia.

Syria has requested a range of anti-aircraft systems, including the SA-18, TOR-M1, S-300PMU2 and the S-400 systems.

The most likely Russian sale to Damascus is that of the SA-18, the sources said. They said Russia would supply the first SA-18 short-range systems – either directly or through a third country – within several months.

In January, Russia and Syria – overriding objections from Israel and the United States – agreed on the sale of the SA-18 to Damascus. Russian officials said the sale of the SA-18 would not violate any international arms agreement.

"Russia has cooperated with Syria for decades, and my country is convinced that Syria has a strong right to get defensive weapons," Russian ambassador in Tunisia Aleksei Tserub said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bigsplash; bullseye; f16; goodshot; iaf; iran; israel; israeliairforce; mig; mig29; russianjunk; shootdown; splash; syria; syrianscantfly
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1 posted on 02/11/2005 10:50:30 AM PST by lnbchip
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To: lnbchip
As usual, MIGs go splash!
2 posted on 02/11/2005 10:54:11 AM PST by demlosers
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To: lnbchip
"The most likely Russian sale to Damascus is that of the SA-18"

Gee, I hope those new shiny toys don't come to any HARM....

3 posted on 02/11/2005 10:54:31 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: lnbchip
Wow. I'd rather the Syrian jets go down than the Israeli ones, but it seems like Syria was justified in scrambling their jets - the Israelis invaded their airspace.

Where is the FReeper who is a current? ex? IAF pilot?

4 posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:31 AM PST by conserv13
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To: lnbchip


5 posted on 02/11/2005 10:56:27 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: lnbchip
Well good, then we'll get a chance to see how well the Israeli "anti radiation" missiles work.

Regards,
GtG

6 posted on 02/11/2005 10:57:23 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: lnbchip

The finest MIG`s gettin` picked off like fish in a barrell by F-16`s.

What`s gonna happen when the F-22 Raptor`s take to the skies ! ?

http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/f-22_raptor.pl


7 posted on 02/11/2005 10:57:42 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

I think it is an IR missile so no HARM can come to it

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-18.htm


8 posted on 02/11/2005 10:59:14 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: finnman69

Cool pic of a F-16 and Mig-29 flying side by side

http://www.flymig.com/aircraft/MiG-29/24.jpg


9 posted on 02/11/2005 11:01:57 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Para-Ord.45

We will own the sky then! Wait we do already... my bad! :)


10 posted on 02/11/2005 11:28:50 AM PST by Americanwolf (Democracy in action... Iraq Elections January 30th 2005... First free elections in decades! Go Iraq!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
11 posted on 02/11/2005 11:28:59 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Falcons rule the roost!


12 posted on 02/11/2005 11:32:38 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Come on you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever?)
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To: finnman69

Guess I don't have someone's permission to access the photo.


13 posted on 02/11/2005 11:33:14 AM PST by steve86
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To: lnbchip
Looks like the Syrians aren't any better than they were during the '80s over the Bekaa Valley....and seems like Israeli pilots are as good as they always have been!

Mazeltov! The IDFAF KICKS ASS!!!!!

14 posted on 02/11/2005 11:34:12 AM PST by Bombardier (USAF: When it absolutely, positively has to be blown up overnight.)
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To: lnbchip
Guys. This is a very dodgy source news story. The first time it broke the incident took place in 2001. It was a story linked into 9/11 and was very dubious when it came out years ago. Note the dates and the names of the alledged Syrian pilots. World Tribune strikes again!

LINK

15 posted on 02/11/2005 11:34:17 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: lnbchip

Migs have been PWN3D!!!


16 posted on 02/11/2005 11:46:45 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: lnbchip
Here is the original story as it appeared a few years back. It appears World Tribune has changed the date from "14 September 2001" to "14 September 2004". Note the exact same names of the Syrian Pilots used. Don't be fooled by World Tribune and also by the original story. The original story is dubious and was linked into a 9/11 based accident/incident. Very dubious.

"The Knife Fight

By September 2001, the situation detoriated further, especially so after the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, which made both the SyAAF and the IDF/AF extremely nervous. Exactly this provoked the so far heaviest incident in the recent history of Syrian-Israeli aerial clashes.

On 14 September 2001, an IDF/AF Boeing 707, equipped for SIGINT-reconnaissance, was on a mission along the Lebanese and Syrian coast, collecting Syrian defense informations, monitoring foremost telecommunications and radar tags in the Tarabulus (Tripolis) and Hamidiyali areas. The plane was underway at 520 knots and 30.000ft, and escorted by two F-15Cs, at least one of which carried the newest Python Mk.IV air-to-air missiles.

The IDF/AF flew similar missions in the area at least twice a week for quite some time, and – as usually – the SyAAF scrambled two interceptors to shadow the “ferret”: the Syrians would always monitor the operations of Israeli reconnaissance aircraft, sending either MiG-23s from Abu ad-Duhor AB, or – less often – MiG-29s from Tsaykal, forward deployed at al-Ladhiqiyah, would get the honor to fly such missions over the Mediterranean Sea. So far, the Syrians have always taken care to stay at least some 20 kilometers away from Israeli planes, and never showed any interest in attacking the Israelis.

But, on this day, at 0914hrs, the two MiG-29s sent to shadow the Boeing 707 suddenly turned towards the Israeli aircraft and increased their speed. For the pilots of the two Israeli F-15s in escort this was not only surprising, but also an obviously aggressive maneuver. Due to the short range, there was no time to ask questions: the MiGs turned towards the Israeli planes in aggressive manner, and could open fire any moment.

The leader of the F-15-pair ordered the Boeing to instantly distance from the area and engage ECM systems, and then called his ground control for help and reinforcements (as a result of this call, six more F-15s and six F-16s were scrambled, along a single Boeing 707 tanker). Moment later, he warned the Syrian MiG-29 pilots on the international distress frequency to change their course. As the MiGs failed to response, the Eagles moved into attack.

One of the F-15s attacked the lead Syrian MiG-29 from above, closing directly out of the rising sun, and launching a single Python Mk.IV from an off-boresight angle of 40 degrees. The missile guided properly and hit the MiG above the left wing, immediately setting it afire. The other MiG-29 banked hard right, apparently heading back to Syria, but it was too late, as the second F-15 was already too close: the pilot launched a single AIM-9M Sidewinder from a range of only 500 meters. The missile slammed into the target, crashing it into the sea.

Both Syrian pilots, Maj. Arshad Midhat Mubarak, and Capt. Ahmad al-Khatab, ejected safely and were recovered by Syrian ships. The names of the involved Israeli F-15-pilots remain unknown."

17 posted on 02/11/2005 11:48:36 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Syrian Migs fall down go BOOOM! Ping! :)


19 posted on 02/11/2005 11:50:19 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Para-Ord.45

We have to hope it does take to the skies. There was some buzz in this latest presidential budget that they are cutting funding to the raptor program. I don't know the extent of the impact. Do you know more?


20 posted on 02/11/2005 11:51:37 AM PST by JewishRighter
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