Posted on 02/10/2005 8:00:51 AM PST by PresbyRev
“The lesson the President has learned best—and certainly the one that has been the most useful to him—is the axiom that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. One of his Administration’s current favorites is the whopper about America having been founded on Christian principles. Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor player, and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent.” Thus begins an article by Brooke Allen that was posted on the website of “The Nation” on February 3, 2005.1 It’s obvious that Allen has not...
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this already is in the text books in publik skools. for example: check out what kids are told about the Thanksgiving story in skool now. you won't recognize that it is even the same moment in history.
Judeo-Christian values are the bedrock without which Western Civilization and the Age of Reason would have been impossible.
as a matter of fact, if the ultra libs really believed in the socialism they want to impose on us, they'd be wanting to move to Cuba, not Canada.
Course the elitist socialists envision themselves as the ruling elite, not the real peons of socialism
> God spoke to the people through the prophet Samuel on the evils of monarchy and the tyranny of the State.
And he spoke to the Israelites of the evil of democracy by wiping out those who would replace a dictator.
> Our Declaration of Independence explicitly finds our rights granted by and rooted in Not the State, nor a document, nor in the consent of the governed but in the Creator.
Deism, not conventional Christianity. Read the founding documents... they used Deist terminology. "Nature's God," that sort of thing... never Jehovah, or Christ, or whatever.
> In the "godless" Constitution, above George Washington's signature is written, "In the Year of Our Lord."
Oh, please. I have also used "AD" to describe what year it is. That's merely a standard convention, far more so then than today. What day is today? Is it not Thursday? If you say "Yes," are you thus acknowledging Thor as god?
> Enlightenment thought, with its latent humanism, bore its seed in the 20th Century under Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
An interesting delusion.
Christianity endorsed "divine monarchy" for 1300 years. There are still monarchs in Europe who trace their power to this concept. It is fairly obvious that America was founded to be tolerant of religious faith, but also to make sure that rulers were endowed by the people, not the Pope or any form of rule by birth ascendency. America was founded in spite of Chistian history.
Excuse me?
or excuse you...
You guys! Please READ the article!!!
DeMar has asked the question as a sarcastic response to Brooke Allen's claim. DeMar clearly chews Allen's seat for making such an assumption....
The title alone, begs for a barf alert.
> our Common Law heritage is clearly, as it came to be used and applied, in Biblical Law.
Wrong.
"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law, or lex non scripta, and commences that of the statute law, or Lex Scripta. This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here, then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it. If it ever was adopted, therefore, into the common law, it must have been between the introduction of Christianity and the date of the Magna Charta. But of the laws of this period we have a tolerable collection by Lambard and Wilkins, probably not perfect, but neither very defective; and if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." Jefferson's letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, from Monticello, February 10, 1814.
the Secular Assault on Christian Civil Government
http://www.natreformassn.org/statesman/03/secassau.html
Secularism is an intolerant and power-based religious worldview. It has no room for Theism, specifically for Christianity.
A vibrant Christian faith that seeks to frame law and life after the Law-Word of God, that hasn't capitulated to humanism's false doctrine of 'neutrality,' is a mortal threat to the secular agenda.
It is not an issue of Christian bias vs. Secular neutrality. That is a lie. It is one worldview vs. a competing worldview; one view of salvation competing with another view of salvation; one view of law/rights vs. another view of law/rights. It isn't a matter of Law/Sanctions vs. No Law/No sanctions, but whose Law? whose sanctions?
perhaps. but there was no marxism agenda in 1830 for example. and the men who lived in the time period had more knowledge of the thinking of the Writers re education etc then those now. i don't trust authors from the left because they have for the most part proven they hate this country. it would be like believing John Kerry's version of Vietnam.
I, for one, agree
> The founders had a profound mistrust of democracy (AKA "mob rule"), which is why the constituted the nation a republic. They drew parallels to the Roman republic, not the Greek city-states.
Point. However, please note that the Roman Republic was *also* pagan.
> In Numbers 16 we don't find a plea for democratic (or even republican) government; we see a power-play by would-be oligarchs.
Do we, now.
Numbers 16:2-3: "And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown: And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?"
These 250 men are not described as oligarchs, but as "men of renown." They wanted to know why Moses set himself above all others. They wanted some form of power-sharing, not just the theocratic dictatorship they had with Moses. For that God wiped not only them out, but their familes, and a whole lot of people who just happened to be in the area.
Lesson: do not question the Divine Right Of Dictators.
1297 saw the Magna Carta as the expression of Common Law adopted explicitly as the basis for English Law.
It was undoubtedly influenced in its development by Biblical Law. The Magna Carta expresses the self-awareness of its authors that they were framing that document as Christians.
Limits on the authority of a king, placed by the governed, is the fruit not of the ancient pagan State, but comes directly from Biblical Law and the model provided in Scripture.
You obviously did not read the article. I think your misplaced ire belongs to Brooke Allen who actually authored the article whose title is mentioned. You should at least find out who Gary DeMar is. I'd dare say your opinion of him would change. That is if you are conservative.
Here are some recent books by Mr. DeMar.
America’s Christian History: The Untold Story by Gary DeMar (1995).
America’s Christian Heritage by Gary DeMar (2003).
I'll await your apology.
Of this I am very aware.
I have studied the Pilgrims all my life - our family genealogy having had 32 ancestors on the Mayflower.
as a writer and columnist, I have done enough columns and features on the Pilgrims that, at least in my neck of the state, people know the facts - and teachers are getting the picture..."don't you dare dress the kids in black and white for thanksgiving! that was the Puritans, not the Pilgrims..."
"I could provide over 1,000 examples as evidence Bush did not lie. As an example all 50 preambles in our state constitutions mention God."
I don't think it's just Christians that recognize God?
It might more correctly be said founded on "Jeudeo-Christian values" being that half of the Christian Bible incorporates the Hewbrew Bible who literally "wrote the Book" as they say.
You obviously didn't even read the article.
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