[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Well, it was supposed to simply be a bill to keep illegal aliens from getting drivers licenses. But guess what: it's a surveillance state nightmare!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

PING!

[michigander]

If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. </sarcasm>

[PeterFinn]

I live in California where they want to give illegals state ID and drivers' licenses. From my point of view this is a responsible act by the Federal government to the inconsistent, irresponsible, and suicidal morons who run liberal state governments.

I wish it were not necessary because we ARE losing freedoms here.

[squirt-gun]

Sorely needed.

I'd also like to see a one time total background check including eye scan for all Americans willing to have it done with the resultant holographics included on the card.

Let the complainers, the devious, the bewildered, the illegal aliens, and the uninformed wait for two hours at hoped for more intelligent and stricter airport checks.

[UB355]

The guy behind it is Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI). I pretty much trust his judgement. He is my congressman

[LauraleeBraswell]

I don't have a problem with

1. Establish a national ID card.

We all already have a SS card, and driver's licenses. But the other three,

The Republican party won't go for it. Right?

[Conspiracy Guy]

1. Establish a national ID card.
2. Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information on American citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3. Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4. Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members of firearms rights and pro-life groups or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time.
5. Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in driver's licenses, including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information -- and even radio frequency identification (RFID) tracking technology. Carry a driver’s license with RFID and governmental officials will know your whereabouts 24/7.


Show me.

[GOP_1900AD]

Not that this is any sort of definitive characterization of the effort to defeat this Bill, but I saw correspondance written by Grover Norquist, Jr., a known appeaser of Islamist front groups, that had an identical point of view. Certainly, there may be issues with this Bill, I'll not debate it here. But I found it interesting that a guy like Norquist, who may well have something major to hide, would have come out against it.

[bahblahbah]

I hate RFID as much as any other privacy advocate, but having RFID on your drivers licenses won't mean they can track you 24/7. It would be nice if we had something like that to use in Iraq though.

[funkywbr]

It may also be a legitamate Voters dream.

[JustAnotherSavage]

You need to read the bill and listen to the debate on NOW on CSPAN. I normally like the liberty committee but this is a lot of overreaction. It does not establish a national ID card.

The bill the dems want does establish a national ID.


Please look at this a little further.

[ElPatriota]

Sorry, but I am not opposed to have a better National ID. We should at least wait and take a look at it. It is a different time after 9/11. We all have to sacrifice some of our liberty just to be better protected.

MHO

[taxcontrol]

Have you actually read the bill? I support 2nd amendment rights more that most people here at FR, but this bill does NOT establish a national id.

Read if for yourselves, you will find that many of the folks out there opposing the bill are only repeating what others are saying and have not educated themselves.

[camas]

no problem for me. i have a drivers license, passport, SS card.

one more is not going to hurt.

[melbell]

Would an RFID chip really broadcast your location constantly? I thought they were more passive than that...like, you scan them to read information from them. Clearly, I am not very educated on this...can someone please explain?

[sergeantdave]

It's my understanding that RFID readers are only effective within a few feet of the card. To track a person would entail the installation of millions and millions of card readers every 20 feet or so. Disabling these readers would be easy. The repair bills would run into the billions, let alone people who simply yank them up by the roots and throw them in the river or on a moving garbage truck.

In other words, it's not practical.

[digger48]

If it's not going to be used for voting, forget it.

[KoRn]

If they put National 'ID' Cards in place they may as well go ahead and do away with states......

[unlearner]

Back before the November election everyone here was upset at the massive voter fraud that was happening, part of which is due to the ID issue.

Now it is time to do something about this issue. This is a good first step.

A system to identify and validate who are citizens eligible to vote requires the government to keep records. This is a no-brainer.

The person who wrote this also thinks the Patriot Act was a huge mistake - a position shared by the ACLU and many liberals.

Unless someone can provide better reasons to oppose it, I support this measure.

[Cold Heat]

Urge your U.S. representative to vote "no" on H.R. 418. Go to

I cannot. I think it is a good idea.

I have not now, nor have I ever felt that proving who you are to any authority that asks for good cause.

That would include any institution where I write a check, LEO or any place that provides a service on credit.

National ID's are much better than a drivers license that carries with it very little accountability due to the fact that virtually anyone can get one in some states.

I have no qualms about finger prints, biometrics of any other methods except for a tracking chip or some other intrusive method without my voluntary consent..

Without my cooperation, I would expect to be denied any of the services I mentioned above and many more.

The old NAZI over abused quote about "your papers please" just does not relate to what we deal with today.

People, in general, cannot be trusted anymore.