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Action Alert: Oppose H.R. 418 (national ID)
The Liberty Committee ^ | February 8, 2005 | Kent Snyder

Posted on 02/09/2005 12:51:51 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Action Alert:  Oppose H.R. 418 (national ID)

February 8, 2005


Are the terrorists winning?  When al-Qaeda attacked the United States on September 11, 2001, they made it clear they hate America and want to terrorize us into changing America.

If they could, the terrorists would destroy the unique American way of life.  But they can't.  Only we can do that.

Tragically, too much of the legislation enacted by Congress in a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 does al-Qaeda's job for them.  The Patriot Act took the first, disastrous step toward fundamentally changing our way of life.  Then came the homeland security bill, followed by the 9/11 intelligence reorganization bill.  And now the Real ID Act of 2005 (H.R. 418) will be voted on Thursday, February 10th.

What's wrong with H.R. 418 -- a bill we are told will stem the flow of illegal aliens through our porous borders?  For starters, it does NOTHING to stem the flow of illegal aliens.  Instead, H.R. 418 will:

1.  Establish a national ID card.
2.  Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information on American citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3.  Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4.  Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members of firearms rights and pro-life groups or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time.
5.  Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in driver's licenses, including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information -- and even radio frequency identification (RFID) tracking technology.  Carry a driver’s license with RFID and governmental officials will know your whereabouts 24/7.

Incredibly, H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally.  Instead, H.R. 418 states what we already know: that certain people here illegally are "deportable."  But it does nothing to mandate deportation.  H.R. 418 fails miserably on this most critical issue.

The Real ID Act or Real National ID Act will impose a Soviet-style internal passport on law-abiding American citizens.  Proponents of H.R. 418 say we must "make sacrifices" like this to control our borders and fight illegal immigration.  But H.R. 418 is a Trojan horse -- it pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American:  more of our constitutionally protected liberty.  H.R. 418 does what al-Qaeda could never do without our help.

H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does.  It punishes law-abiding citizens.  Criminals will ignore it.  H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a police state.  The terrorists will have won.

Urge your U.S. representative to vote "no" on H.R. 418.  Go to http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=6938731&type=CO

Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee

 


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigbrother; driverslicenses; federalstandards; freedom; hr418; illegalaliens; liberty; nationalid; nationalsecurity; powergrab; privacy; ronpaul; security; surveillance
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To: ElPatriota

Would you send your child to fight for Freedom Lite?


21 posted on 02/09/2005 1:12:31 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
no problem for me. i have a drivers license, passport, SS card.

one more is not going to hurt.
22 posted on 02/09/2005 1:12:32 PM PST by camas
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To: eno_

Sorry, I will wait and see.


23 posted on 02/09/2005 1:13:36 PM PST by ElPatriota
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Would an RFID chip really broadcast your location constantly? I thought they were more passive than that...like, you scan them to read information from them. Clearly, I am not very educated on this...can someone please explain?


24 posted on 02/09/2005 1:17:38 PM PST by melbell (A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, and say your mother)
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To: jsubstance

The link doesn't support the list.


25 posted on 02/09/2005 1:20:33 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: bahblahbah
I hate RFID as much as any other privacy advocate, but having RFID on your drivers licenses won't mean they can track you 24/7.

RFID has a range of no more than 3 or 4 feet. It's not a "tracking mechanism" and anyone who tells you it is is a few bubbles off of plum.

Wouldn't it have been nice, however, if Mohammed Atta, with his 6 different legal drivers licenses, had been detected by an RFID scanner as he tried to board the airplane on 9/11?

"Excuse me sir, but why am I picking up 6 different identities and 6 different addresses when you walk past the scanner? And only one of them matches the name and address on your ticket. Hmmmmmmm?"

26 posted on 02/09/2005 1:23:22 PM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: melbell
Someone is yelling "fire" in the theater
27 posted on 02/09/2005 1:23:56 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: ElPatriota

We all have to sacrifice some of our liberty just to be better protected.

What liberty does a national ID card take away? IMO, the liberty that illegals have to vote and work in this country.

I'm all for it. No different than an SS Card.


28 posted on 02/09/2005 1:30:29 PM PST by hushpad (If you're going to carry brass balls, at least have the sense keep them polished.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Crank up the power on the reader and hook up a larger antenna, and you vastly increase the range for RFID.

Google up "bluesniper" for some info on how Bluetooth range can be extended far far far beyond the Bluetooth spec.

What do YOU think: Will the government abuse RFID?


29 posted on 02/09/2005 1:32:46 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; All

"Someone is yelling "fire" in the theater"

It appears.

This bill is pretty straightforward. It calls for states to use certain identifying guidelines in issuing driver license IF it is to be used for federal purposes. NO one is going to be required to get new licenses, this is for foreigners with visa's etc. so the license will expire when the visa does, ie. some of the 9/ll hijackers who had 6 year florida license after their "student" visa expired.

From Sensenbrenner's ofc:

U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary

F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr., Chairman

www.house.gov/judiciary

News Advisory

For immediate release Contact: Jeff Lungren/Terry Shawn

February 9, 2005 202-225-2492

Sensenbrenner House Floor Statement on REAL ID Legislation

WASHINGTON, D.C. - House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis.) delivered the following remarks during today's House floor debate on H.R. 418, the REAL ID legislation:

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In December, the President signed into law legislation intended to respond to the recommendations of 9/11 Commission. Unfortunately, the legislation that was enacted failed to include several key provisions critical to addressing vulnerabilities found in both the 9/11 Commission report and the 9/11 staff report on terrorist travel. To that end, on January 26th of this year, I introduced H.R. 418 - the REAL ID Act. This bill, which now has 139 co-sponsors, encompasses four of the most important border and document security provisions that the House overwhelmingly approved as a part of H.R. 10 last year.

"The goal of the REAL ID Act is straightforward. It seeks to prevent another 9/11-type terrorist attack by disrupting terrorist travel. The 9/11 Commission's terrorist travel report stated that 'abuse of the immigration system and a lack of interior enforcement were unwittingly working together to support terrorist activities.' The report further states that, 'members of Al Qaida clearly valued freedom of movement as critical to their ability to plan and carry out the attacks prior to September 11th.' Finally, the report observes, 'if terrorist travel options are reduced, they may be forced to rely on means of interaction which can be more easily monitored and to resort to travel documents that are more easily detectable.'

"The REAL ID Act contains four provisions aimed at disrupting terrorist travel. First, the legislation does not try to set states' policy for those who may or may not drive a car, but it does address the use of a driver's license as a form of identification to a federal official. American citizens have the right to know who is in their country, that people are who they say they are, and that the name on the driver's license is the real holder's name, not some alias.

"Second, this legislation will tighten our asylum system, which has been abused by terrorists. The 9/11 Commission staff report on terrorist travel states that 'once the terrorists had entered the United States, their next challenge was to find a way to remain here. Their primary method was immigration fraud.' Irresponsible judges have made the asylum laws vulnerable to fraud and abuse. We will end judge-imposed presumptions that benefit suspected terrorists in order to stop providing a safe haven to some of the worst people on Earth. The REAL ID Act will reduce the opportunity for immigration fraud so that we can protect honest asylum seekers and stop rewarding the terrorists and criminals who falsely claim persecution.

"Liberal activist judges in the 9th Circuit have been overturning clearly established precedent and are preventing immigration judges from denying bogus asylum applications by aliens who are clearly lying. If criminal juries can sentence a defendant to life imprisonment or execution based on adverse credibility determinations, certainly an immigration judge can deny an alien asylum on this basis. It is one of the foundations of our system of jurisprudence that juries and trial judges should be able to decide cases on the basis of the credibility or lack of credibility of witnesses. The bill will again allow immigration judges to deny asylum claims on the basis of credibility.

"The bill overturns an even more disturbing 9th Circuit precedent that has made it easier for terrorists to receive asylum. The Circuit has actually held that an alien can receive asylum on the basis that his or her government believes the alien is a terrorist.

"Third, the REAL ID Act will waive federal laws to the extent necessary to complete gaps in the San Diego border security fence, which is still stymied eight years after congressional authorization. Neither the public safety nor the environment are benefitting from the current stalemate.

"Finally, the REAL ID Act contains a common-sense provision that helps protect Americans from terrorists who have infiltrated the United States. Currently, certain terrorism-related grounds of inadmissibility to our country are not also grounds for deportation of aliens already here. The REAL ID Act makes aliens deportable from the U.S. for terrorism-related offenses to the same extent that they would be inadmissible to the United States to begin with. And the Act provides that any alien who knowingly provides funds or other material support to a terrorist organization will be subject to immigration consequences.

"The REAL ID Act will make America a safer place. It is endorsed by the 9-11 Families for a Secure America, an association of family members of 9-11 victims. I urge my colleagues to support this bill."

http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner/



30 posted on 02/09/2005 1:33:05 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: ElPatriota

I'll wait and see, too. Right now, I think I pay enough for the government to hire someone more gullible to die for my much-abridged "freedom."


31 posted on 02/09/2005 1:34:16 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It's my understanding that RFID readers are only effective within a few feet of the card. To track a person would entail the installation of millions and millions of card readers every 20 feet or so. Disabling these readers would be easy. The repair bills would run into the billions, let alone people who simply yank them up by the roots and throw them in the river or on a moving garbage truck.

In other words, it's not practical.


32 posted on 02/09/2005 1:34:40 PM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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To: ElPatriota

We all have to sacrifice some of our liberty just to be better protected.


That kind of thinking is dangerous. Its not any Government's responsibility to protect us. What do you think the second amendment is for? I can't even believe I read this on FR!


33 posted on 02/09/2005 1:35:40 PM PST by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: sergeantdave

See #29.


34 posted on 02/09/2005 1:35:56 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_

RFID can be blocked easily. The point I'm try to make is that the list is not backed up. Nor is RFID even mentioned. With 50 different states driver's license fakes are easy.


35 posted on 02/09/2005 1:38:04 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
RFID can be blocked easily

Really? Then why bother?

36 posted on 02/09/2005 1:39:25 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If it's not going to be used for voting, forget it.


37 posted on 02/09/2005 1:39:53 PM PST by digger48
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To: JustAnotherSavage

But the Libertarian stance is "IT will be abused by the government to pry into our lives. It will require a chip implant in my forehead and the government will control my thoughts. The sky is falling!"


38 posted on 02/09/2005 1:41:20 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: eno_
So is this a picture of the national id card your thinking about?


39 posted on 02/09/2005 1:41:28 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Cite one JUST ONE case where government information gathering has NOT been abused.

There isn't one single case where government assurances of privacy are worth snot.

Why should this be different?


40 posted on 02/09/2005 1:43:53 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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