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Action Alert: Oppose H.R. 418 (national ID)
The Liberty Committee ^ | February 8, 2005 | Kent Snyder

Posted on 02/09/2005 12:51:51 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Action Alert:  Oppose H.R. 418 (national ID)

February 8, 2005


Are the terrorists winning?  When al-Qaeda attacked the United States on September 11, 2001, they made it clear they hate America and want to terrorize us into changing America.

If they could, the terrorists would destroy the unique American way of life.  But they can't.  Only we can do that.

Tragically, too much of the legislation enacted by Congress in a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 does al-Qaeda's job for them.  The Patriot Act took the first, disastrous step toward fundamentally changing our way of life.  Then came the homeland security bill, followed by the 9/11 intelligence reorganization bill.  And now the Real ID Act of 2005 (H.R. 418) will be voted on Thursday, February 10th.

What's wrong with H.R. 418 -- a bill we are told will stem the flow of illegal aliens through our porous borders?  For starters, it does NOTHING to stem the flow of illegal aliens.  Instead, H.R. 418 will:

1.  Establish a national ID card.
2.  Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information on American citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3.  Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4.  Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members of firearms rights and pro-life groups or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time.
5.  Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in driver's licenses, including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information -- and even radio frequency identification (RFID) tracking technology.  Carry a driver’s license with RFID and governmental officials will know your whereabouts 24/7.

Incredibly, H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally.  Instead, H.R. 418 states what we already know: that certain people here illegally are "deportable."  But it does nothing to mandate deportation.  H.R. 418 fails miserably on this most critical issue.

The Real ID Act or Real National ID Act will impose a Soviet-style internal passport on law-abiding American citizens.  Proponents of H.R. 418 say we must "make sacrifices" like this to control our borders and fight illegal immigration.  But H.R. 418 is a Trojan horse -- it pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American:  more of our constitutionally protected liberty.  H.R. 418 does what al-Qaeda could never do without our help.

H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does.  It punishes law-abiding citizens.  Criminals will ignore it.  H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a police state.  The terrorists will have won.

Urge your U.S. representative to vote "no" on H.R. 418.  Go to http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=6938731&type=CO

Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee

 


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigbrother; driverslicenses; federalstandards; freedom; hr418; illegalaliens; liberty; nationalid; nationalsecurity; powergrab; privacy; ronpaul; security; surveillance
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Well, it was supposed to simply be a bill to keep illegal aliens from getting drivers licenses. But guess what: it's a surveillance state nightmare!
1 posted on 02/09/2005 12:51:52 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; aristeides; Askel5; ...

PING!


2 posted on 02/09/2005 12:52:50 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is on in the House right now.............(C-span1)


3 posted on 02/09/2005 12:54:08 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. </sarcasm>
4 posted on 02/09/2005 12:56:58 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: OXENinFLA

Don't worry guys, "it can't happen here".


5 posted on 02/09/2005 1:00:02 PM PST by God defeats Darwin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I live in California where they want to give illegals state ID and drivers' licenses. From my point of view this is a responsible act by the Federal government to the inconsistent, irresponsible, and suicidal morons who run liberal state governments.

I wish it were not necessary because we ARE losing freedoms here.


6 posted on 02/09/2005 1:00:42 PM PST by PeterFinn (Why is it that people who know the least know it the loudest?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Sorely needed.

I'd also like to see a one time total background check including eye scan for all Americans willing to have it done with the resultant holographics included on the card.

Let the complainers, the devious, the bewildered, the illegal aliens, and the uninformed wait for two hours at hoped for more intelligent and stricter airport checks.

7 posted on 02/09/2005 1:01:00 PM PST by squirt-gun
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The guy behind it is Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI). I pretty much trust his judgement. He is my congressman


8 posted on 02/09/2005 1:02:18 PM PST by UB355
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks


I don't have a problem with

1. Establish a national ID card.

We all already have a SS card, and driver's licenses. But the other three,

The Republican party won't go for it. Right?


9 posted on 02/09/2005 1:02:28 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

1. Establish a national ID card.
2. Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information on American citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3. Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4. Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members of firearms rights and pro-life groups or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time.
5. Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in driver's licenses, including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information -- and even radio frequency identification (RFID) tracking technology. Carry a driver’s license with RFID and governmental officials will know your whereabouts 24/7.


Show me.


10 posted on 02/09/2005 1:03:23 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Marine Inspector

Not that this is any sort of definitive characterization of the effort to defeat this Bill, but I saw correspondance written by Grover Norquist, Jr., a known appeaser of Islamist front groups, that had an identical point of view. Certainly, there may be issues with this Bill, I'll not debate it here. But I found it interesting that a guy like Norquist, who may well have something major to hide, would have come out against it.


11 posted on 02/09/2005 1:04:16 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I hate RFID as much as any other privacy advocate, but having RFID on your drivers licenses won't mean they can track you 24/7. It would be nice if we had something like that to use in Iraq though.
12 posted on 02/09/2005 1:04:20 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It may also be a legitamate Voters dream.


13 posted on 02/09/2005 1:07:06 PM PST by funkywbr
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All

You need to read the bill and listen to the debate on NOW on CSPAN. I normally like the liberty committee but this is a lot of overreaction. It does not establish a national ID card.

The bill the dems want does establish a national ID.


Please look at this a little further.


14 posted on 02/09/2005 1:07:27 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sorry, but I am not opposed to have a better National ID. We should at least wait and take a look at it. It is a different time after 9/11. We all have to sacrifice some of our liberty just to be better protected.

MHO


15 posted on 02/09/2005 1:08:20 PM PST by ElPatriota
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To: funkywbr

I think I'll just get mine put on my forehead or the back of my right hand (/sarcasm).


16 posted on 02/09/2005 1:10:01 PM PST by God defeats Darwin
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To: Conspiracy Guy

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.00418:

Read for yourself.


17 posted on 02/09/2005 1:10:51 PM PST by jsubstance
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Have you actually read the bill? I support 2nd amendment rights more that most people here at FR, but this bill does NOT establish a national id.

Read if for yourselves, you will find that many of the folks out there opposing the bill are only repeating what others are saying and have not educated themselves.
18 posted on 02/09/2005 1:10:56 PM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: squirt-gun

I have a better idea: Let's line up and shoot all the busybodies and snoops.


19 posted on 02/09/2005 1:11:31 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: ElPatriota

As far as I'm concerned, my liberty's well enough protected by the 9mm on my bedside table and the .357 in the closet. When people like you start telling people like me what we HAVE to sacrifice, that's when things start going downhill.


20 posted on 02/09/2005 1:12:19 PM PST by God defeats Darwin
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